Interview with Bowling For Soup

What's going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Jarrett Redick of the band bowling for soup over zoom video. Jared talks about being born and raised in Texas and how he got into music. Jarrett was born and raised in Wichita falls in Texas, and he talks about how he got into music. He started off as a drummer and it wasn't until he was about 17 years old that he started to playing guitar and a singing. He was in a band that didn't have anyone that wanted to sing. So he ended up taking over as a singer and guitar player 1 (2m 30s): At progressive. You can get 24 7 protection. Even if you break the space time continuum, 3 (2m 36s): The tongue traveled to yesterday, wait, progressive covers is 24 7, but we just created an eight week and it's 24 7 coverage, not 24 8. We got to go back. Are you joking right now? I'm calling them hi. I have a question about time travel 1 (2m 49s): Progressive offers more than a great price. When you bundle home and auto, we offer round the clock protection, which literally means any time coverage for progressive casualty insurance company affiliates, third party insurers and subject policy terms, bundle discount, not available in all states. Or 5 (2m 60s): He started bowling for soup in college. The band relocated to Denton, Texas, where they really had a big following as a band. He talks to us about signing to a major label, signing to jive and releasing. Let's do it for Johnny, the huge success of a hangover you don't deserve and kind of going from the alternative pop punk world to a pop band and what that was like. And we also hear all about the new bowling for soup record called pop drunk snot bread, which is a record that the band put together and the Poconos. They took a trip as a band. They hadn't hung out in a while. I mean, it's in the middle of COVID. 5 (3m 40s): Don't tell anybody, don't tell their label. Nobody managers, they just take a trip and they wrote and recorded this entire record. And he talks about how a lot of it came together. Just kind of reminiscing and talking about old times. And it's such a great record to make sure to check it out, pop drunk, snot bread, and you can watch our interview with Jared on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It'd be awesome if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik TOK at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, apple music, Google podcasts, Amazon music, we would love it. If you follow us there as well and hook us up with a five-star review, 6 (4m 18s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 5 (4m 24s): We're bringing it backwards with bowling for soup. 7 (4m 28s): Hello? Hello. 5 (4m 28s): Hey, what's going on? 7 (4m 30s): How are you, man? 5 (4m 31s): I'm doing well. I'm doing well. How are you 7 (4m 33s): Doing fantastic. 5 (4m 35s): Thank you so much for doing this. I'm really excited to talk to you. 7 (4m 37s): Thanks for having me. Sorry. I had to reschedule on you last week. It's been so many moving parts right now, but it's good to see. 5 (4m 46s): Great to see you as well. I love the new record. I was just listening to it again. 7 (4m 50s): Thank you, man. 5 (4m 51s): Yeah. Real on the, on the, on the record, there's the voice that comes in, you know, the pee break obviously, and then the public service announcement that sounds remarkably like Morgan Freeman. Who do you do the, who does the voice of that? 7 (5m 4s): A guy on Fiverr for about 38 bucks. 5 (5m 7s): Are you serious? That's so awesome. 7 (5m 11s): Yeah, I use Fiverr for everything, man. It's a, it's a magical place. 5 (5m 16s): It really is. I mean, the things that people will do for five bucks is incredible. 7 (5m 21s): It's pretty, pretty cool. 5 (5m 23s): Rad. Well, I'm, I'm Adam in this podcast about you and just the brief background of your, your journey in music. And then we'll talk about the new record a little bit. 7 (5m 32s): Sounds great. 5 (5m 33s): Cool. So I guess first off you're born and raised in, in tech and Texas, is that whatever 7 (5m 39s): Yeah. Born and raised, born in grapevine, raised in Wichita falls and then moved down to Denton after we, after we started the band and still still here, you know, don't really have any plans to go anywhere. 5 (5m 53s): Okay. Did the bands officially start in Denton? 7 (5m 56s): So we started in Wichita falls and really couldn't find an audience there. It's a really small town and it's pretty much, you know, it's very cliquey. And so, but we found an audience very quickly and Denton coming down here to play. So it was pretty obvious that there was something, something with that town and us. And it's definitely a relationship that still continues today. 5 (6m 20s): That's amazing. And how did you originally get in a music, musical family at all? 7 (6m 25s): No. I mean, ish. I mean they listen to music a lot, my, my house and in the car, we spent a lot of time in the car back then. And so there's always music playing. And so for that, you know, definitely exposed to that. My brother listened to a lot of music, but my mom would play piano every once in a while. But you know, it wasn't something that she didn't do it for a living or pursue it as a career or anything. And honestly, man, it's, it's a funny story now because it, it, it hits so differently than it did when I would first tell the story. But I was in the sixth grade and a kid brought a Walkman to school and I heard Ozzy Osbourne's crazy train for the first time. 7 (7m 7s): And it absolutely changed my life. Like I'll never forget it, you know? And you know, I did, I didn't know what Ozzy sounded like. All I knew it was, he was the prince of darkness and he put the head off of a bat and had people kill puppies and you know, all this And that's all you knew back then. And there was no real grasp on reality because we didn't have social media or anything. So it's just the legend of Ozzie is what I knew. And so it's pretty funny to tell that story now when like I last summer, you know, or, or I guess two summers ago when trolls, the new trolls movie came out, oh, my son and his friends are jumping on the trampoline, all singing crazy train. And I was just like, gosh, what an interesting juxtaposition. 7 (7m 50s): This is of like Music through him and just being this. And it was, and I was like, I was a rebel, you know, and I had long hair and I wore Ozzy Osborne shirts. And now, you know, you hear crazy train at every sporting events, including kids' sporting events. And here's my a seven year old on the trampoline with his friends singing it. So, but you know, it, it had that kind of impact on me. And I got that album and I got bark at the moon and shout at the devil from Motley crew on the same day. And, oh, there 5 (8m 21s): You 7 (8m 22s): Go. Music was just so big and cartoony and crazy back then. It was, you know, the original hip hop cause everything was extravagant and, you know, a Motley crew rolling down the sunset strip with, in a limousine with a hot tub in it, you know, it's crazy. So yeah, I just kind of had the fever and the, and that's, that's really what started. I got a drum set for Christmas that year. And 5 (8m 45s): So we started off on drums. 7 (8m 47s): Yeah. Started off on drums. There's a, it's a pretty interesting thing. If you, if you look at like the amount of frontmen that start out on those, we were just touring with lit and AIG was a drummer first, but Steven Tyler and Don Henley and Stacy Jones from American Hi-Fi and 5 (9m 2s): Yeah. He's yeah, he's a huge, I mean, Stacy Jones, God is real. I mean, he was, he still is like a legit working. 7 (9m 10s): It's such a good drummer. It's crazy that, yeah. I mean, he's lazy Miley Cyrus's band and he was in letters to Cleo, but you know, it's, it's crazy how many drummers, you know, start out as drummers. And then I guess there's just some sort of a pull, you know, for maybe it's more attention. I don't know. I'd never met a microphone. I didn't like man. I, I, anytime we walk in somewhere and there's someone on a microphone, my tour manager will just look at me and just go, oh God, you know, because at some point I'm going to be on that microphone. 5 (9m 44s): So as you, as a drummer, were you in bands as a drummer? And then eventually you're like, I want to learn guitar and kind of write songs. 7 (9m 52s): Yes. So I was a drummer and played drums in school. So I was in marching band and cool and all of that. And so I played the snare drum in the marching band. I played the Tiffany in the orchestra and the symphonic band. And then, yeah, I mean, honestly what first happened was, is we couldn't find a singer and I had kind of sang and played drums on a song or two here and there. And I was like, you know, I mean, I could pull it. I mean, we're still doing it for fun at the time. So I was just like, I can pull this off and 5 (10m 21s): You weren't pulling for soup yet. It was just like, 7 (10m 24s): I was a metal, we were a metal band called terminal seasons. And we were very heavy and, and you know, we were doing Testament and obituary covers and Slayer and, And you know, but we had a bunch of friends that could play bass and our bass player could play drums. So we just kind of switched around and, and that was that. And then, yeah, nobody wanted to write songs and it says the second time, my life was absolutely changed for the better was when I heard the descendants, this kid that I met in college, my freshman year played me the descendants. And I was just like, whoa, like they're playing fast and he, but he can really sing. 7 (11m 7s): And they're singing about farts and girls. And like I know about those things cause writing a metal song, you had to have like a medical dictionary to be able to even, you know, so I was, you know, I was so, you know, like, wow, again, it, again, it just, and it's, it's just that it was a complete 180 for me of just like, man, I'm just, I'm going to do this. And I could play the guitar parts for a lot of them, you know? Cause early green day at that point, you know, like a Kerplunk days and then screeching weasel is my other favorite band. 5 (11m 41s): I liked 7 (11m 42s): Screeching weasel because I could play the guitar solos. And I had never even played guitar before. 5 (11m 47s): Those are cool riffs though are so good with screeching weasel. I love that band. 7 (11m 52s): Oh, so, and I mean, the songwriting is actually really stellar for is how simple their songs are 5 (11m 58s): And his lyrics are so clever. Like yeah. So clever. So are yours by the way. I mean, it's just, yeah. Like even I'm listening to the new record and it just it's. Yeah. It just re obviously it's 1 (12m 11s): Progressive presents Larry to your home, 8 (12m 14s): Clean, disgusting. Oh, 9 (12m 16s): House. Don't say that 8 (12m 18s): You could live someplace so much better than me. That's 10 (12m 20s): Not true. Oh yeah. 8 (12m 22s): Look at these uneven stairs. Gross 9 (12m 24s): House. 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I mean, you know what I mean? Like I don't even know how to put it in another way, but like you hear the record. You're like, this is awesome. This sounds like a great bowling for soup record. 7 (13m 51s): They just have all your super record. Yeah, man. It's but yeah, that's pretty much it. I started a band bandwidth, that kid that played me, the descendant thing. We were together two years and I'm the drummer of that band and myself went on to start bowling for soup. And 5 (14m 6s): You were in college at that point when, when the band started 7 (14m 10s): College. And I would just, I just finishing college actually when bowling for soup started. So me and Chris were just graduating with <inaudible> and summer 94. And that's when Boeing pursuit started out. So it was, yeah, it was 5 (14m 25s): What were you going to school for? If you don't mind, 7 (14m 27s): Let's go for marketing and psychology. 5 (14m 30s): Okay. Well, did you have like a, a career path that you're aiming for? 7 (14m 33s): Yeah, I did. I wanted to be a corporate psychologist and I wanted to do like, it's like, so, so not only just the marketing side, but I really wanted to be sort of in the, the HR side of like, like for big corporations being able to do drug and alcohol counseling and things like that. And you know, that's, it, it was a big picture kind of situation, sort of my idea. 5 (14m 59s): That's cool. That is really cool. And then the band starts and then like, how do you go all in on the band? Like you graduate college? Is it like, okay, like when do you just go, I'm not going to really pursue the, the corporate gig. 7 (15m 11s): Yeah. 96. We were playing a show in Abilene, Texas. We were opened up for this band called the hunger. And it was huge. It was that like the city Coliseum. And there was like 4,000 people there and everybody's sweating and they're singing our songs to us, you know, they already knew, wow. Cause we had worked with 5 (15m 28s): Quick then. I mean, not quick, but like for that sense of the band, 7 (15m 32s): It's really hard. You know, we, we, we went in guns, ablaze. I mean, we started in June 94, we played our first show, July 94. We had our first album out by September 94 and we released two albums in 1996. So we were going guns, a blazing. And, and so it already kind of established a good following and a lot of these small towns here in Texas. But after that show, you know, I, I just said to the guys, I was like, you know, I think I got my finger on this thing. I think we can, I know who to do. I think we can do this. So yeah, we released another, so our fourth independent album, and then we got signed to jive in 99 and stayed with them for nine years. 5 (16m 15s): When you get signed to a major army, signed to jive with major label, like, what was that like? Like, is it just like, okay, it's finally happening, but I mean, you had four records out. 7 (16m 24s): Yeah. It was, it was a very big wake up call and that it's not like what you thought it was going to be. It wasn't like, oh my God. Now all of our financial problems are solved. And basically we got enough to make our album and enough to pay off all their credit cards. We had run up touring around 21 grand in credit cards we had and nobody took any money. It was all, you know, there, there, that was it. And then it was a matter of like, oh, okay, so now you guys gotta go play all these radio shows and all this stuff only, you're not going to get paid. So it was like, we're making less money on a label than we were selling because you know, we were selling 10, I'll see one album, we sold 10,000 copies out of the back of our band, but one of them, 20,000 5 (17m 12s): Crazy. 7 (17m 13s): So 20,000 copies of rocking on roll ones out the back of our van, just touring. 5 (17m 18s): Gosh, 7 (17m 18s): Pretty good. We were making decent cash as far as like just survival was concerned. 5 (17m 25s): Well, at that point that you signed the label and you're making less money. Are you guys thinking like, oh, we, you know, we were selling a ton of records out of our car. Like, did we make the wrong decision here? Or was that never even a thought? 7 (17m 35s): There's never really a thought because you know, there was really, you know, the DIY wasn't, it wasn't as, as clear as it is today, you know, there was no real way to like get a video out or anything. Right. 5 (17m 51s): Get in, you know, whatever blockbuster music I'm just trying to 7 (17m 57s): Tower 5 (17m 58s): Records or something. 7 (17m 59s): Well, you could do it. I mean, and we did, I mean, you could get with distribution companies that get your albums into places and we were doing that, but yeah, it's definitely not the same. There, there were things that, you know, that we were getting it, it never really was there a time where, I mean, it definitely, we would look at it and go, man, I did not expect this to be this way. And there would be like no money, but never were really like, you know, fuck this, you know? Right. It was 5 (18m 28s): More of a labor play. These radio shows, 7 (18m 31s): It was really more about this. Like let's, we're obviously not working hard enough, so let's just keep working harder, you know? And yeah. And then, you know, second record, we had a hit and, you know, things, things changed pretty quickly after that. 5 (18m 46s): Yeah. So you, obviously you have a massive song on that record. And then when that happens, is it just like shows are getting bigger, like, especially at that time. Right. 7 (18m 55s): And he was on airplanes after that. So when girl, the bad guys won't was a pop hit, it changed the scope of everything because we had been working the bitch song and the songs off of Lester for Johnny, which was our first jive record, 5 (19m 9s): Which stood well. I mean, I 7 (19m 10s): Mean 18,000, I think, 5 (19m 13s): I mean, that's now that'd be like the number one record on the chart, 7 (19m 18s): It's considered a plot. Right? It wasn't, it didn't do all that well, but it did well in the UK. And so, but everything was being worked to rock radio. We were on a metal label in the UK, you know, and then all of a sudden girl, the bad guys want went pop. Well, everything changed at that point because, you know, the radio shows were way different way bigger, you know, and that's where the label wanted us all the time. So, but the, the good thing was is that since we had a hit, we started to actually get paid. So we could actually, you know, pay our bills and do these things or whatever. And they were paying for the flights. And so, yes, this is a lot of, you know, you, you think flying might sound more glamorous to people than the tour bus or, or at the time for us, the van, it's not, it's brutal. 7 (20m 7s): I mean, getting on and off airplanes every single day for two years is brutal. And so, you know, but, and I try, I try to explain to people like how much we flew and here's the way that I can put it into perspective where everybody would understand it. I had the equivalent of platinum status on four airlines, 5 (20m 28s): Man. 7 (20m 29s): I mean, that's how much we flew Delta tided continental, which doesn't exist anymore in America. And we had every single one of them. So it was just that insane. 5 (20m 42s): So you're just flying with different countries constantly or different cities, radio shows, okay. Radio 7 (20m 47s): Shows and you get, most of the time, it was the same acts. You know, it was like us in simple plan would be the only bands that weren't singing to track and Chingy and you know, 5 (20m 58s): Sure. I came for, I came from radio, I did radio for like 17 years. I remember the like seeing look symbol land, and you guys kind of do that crossover. I was like, whoa. Yeah. Now, now it's, it's a lot different in that world. Obviously the band will sit on alternative radio and then if you're Portugal, the man, or like, you know, glass animals, you'll get that one, you know, jump over to top 40 radio. But being like you guys on those bills, I was just like, wait, what? 7 (21m 25s): Yeah. It was really interesting too, because there were only a handful of us that did it, you know, it was us simple plan, all American rejects, probably good Charlotte. 5 (21m 35s): Yeah. Good. Charlotte had some headphones 7 (21m 37s): Even really, you know, I mean, and then if you, I mean, you know, blink Wade, she was sort of like teetering both, you know, at the, at the time, but as for, for us and simple plan and, and all American rejects is very much like for a while, once we crossed the pot, the gates weren't opening back up the other way. So it was just like, you guys are just a pop band now in it, you know, it's kind of, kind of a bummer from the punk rock side of things, but the way that you earn your way back into that as longevity, and now it's like, you know, we're, we don't take any shit off anybody, you know, it's like, we, we all, we all have our successes where we have them, you know? 5 (22m 12s): Right. That's interesting you say, cause I, I interviewed pure like right before the pandemic and he was saying the same thing. He's like, do you feel like he's like, I feel like when we cross over and we were being played on like kiss FM and stuff, like, it was hard to jump. Like if we put out up more like a more rock record, like it was hard to get convinced, like the alternative stations that were cool band to like, you know, give us another shot. 7 (22m 36s): You're not going to do it. We're not, it wasn't going to happen back then. That was not even, it was never even a thought for us. You know, it was that, oh, we'll go back. It was just like, this kind of music is pop now, you know? So this is what we do, you know, that kind of thing. But yeah, we, you know, he and I, and Chuck and, and my guys have talked a lot about that. And you know, in the past, and you know, at first I think, you know, it would sort of hurt your feelings, you know, where you're just like, dude, I mean, this rock station week, like we did a bunch of stuff together. Like why do you not love me anymore? You know? And it's like, Hey, it, there, there was just this element in radio, especially then where, you know, once again, once you went pop, you are 100% not cool enough to come back over here because the guys in the pool hall don't want anything to do with your sissy music, you know? 5 (23m 30s): Yeah. And the lines are so blurred now, which I love. I mean, you look at a line up here, like, huh, 7 (23m 36s): If you think back to it though, like where, where it was 15 years before that, where like rock radio was Def Leppard and pop was Def Leppard. You know, it's like why we got all these lines in the sand, but I love the blurriness of it now. You know, 5 (23m 53s): I 7 (23m 54s): Like the blurriness of it in my own, John rhe. I mean, just even people will be like, you know, what do you think about the MGK, the mud sun thing, you know, Avril Levine being like back-up and being considered pop punk and all of this stuff. And I'm like, man, all I can tell you is it's good for the genre. The John genres killing right now, our streams are all up. Everybody's coming to our shows. So I love it. Why not man? Why not support it? I, you know, I, the only reason he did it, the only reason MGK did this, it definitely didn't it, in my opinion, I don't think he, he thought to himself, I'm going to go make all the money last time. I really like this music and John Feldman and Travis Parker want to be on a record with me and I can't fucking believe that that's crazy. 7 (24m 37s): I'm going to go do it. Right. And he did it and good for him. 5 (24m 42s): No, dude, I completely agree. And I love to see the resurgence in pop punk and like the emo bands and like the, we were young Fest and all this stuff that's happening. And it's like, whoa, like that's what I was loving. And I grew up on and like to see it kind of come back and make the second wave is so rad and like bands like Madsen. And, and like you said, MGK, like just seeing these bands kind of come up and it's like, whoa, like this is so rad that kids, younger generations of kids are now like appreciating that. And I'm sure you guys, obviously you said with the streaming and everything, like that's so awesome and shows, 7 (25m 16s): And also, you know, we've got veterans that are doing things. So I mean all time low just had that song monster. That was 5 (25m 21s): All. Yeah. I 7 (25m 22s): Think it was the biggest song 1 (25m 25s): At progressive. You can get 24, 7 protection. Even if you break the space time continuum, 3 (25m 30s): We did it. We tongue traveled to yesterday. Wait, progressive covers us 24 7, but we just created an eight week and it's 24 7 coverage, not 24 8. We got to go back. Are you joking right now? I'm calling them hi. I have a question about time travel 1 (25m 44s): Progressive offers more than a great price. 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Was it new-ish cause like the one before it was 2016? 7 (27m 7s): Yeah, no, we, we had no plans to do an album. We, we, in fact, we were, we were just going to be singles only and be single, do a single, do a video, do a single, do a video, do a single, get it up to a million on YouTube, go do another one, you know, but the pandemic hit and we thrive being together, you know, we're best friends, we're family. And so honestly, after a few months of it being like, dude, when are we all gonna hang out? You know? And no, nothing inside no shows. What's the best way we can all go somewhere and hang out together for a while. Let's go do an album. You know, like, why not just go? 7 (27m 48s): So we got in a tour bus, we went up to the Poconos, everybody COVID tested, we got tour bus. We went up to the Poconos, we got an Airbnb and a studio where we were completely private and we lock ourselves in those two things and created our own little bubble and we, we made an album, but yeah, there's no. And I think that's, you know, I, I, in talking about this record so much over the, over the last, you know, several months, it's obvious to me now that why the album is so reflective, like a, I wouldn't change a thing and getting old sucks. And after all these beers and greatest of all time where there's so much talk of like our accomplishments and you know, how much we love each other and how much we love our fans and just being in the band and what we've done. 7 (28m 33s): And this is funny and this is funny and whatever, I think the ref, that's just what the vibe was. Cause it was like, dude, you know, like this where we're special enough to each other, to just fucking drop everything and go somewhere for a couple of weeks to make a record that we had zero. I mean, our management didn't even know we were doing it. You know, Hey, where are you guys? Oh, we're in the Poconos 5 (28m 58s): Making a record. 7 (29m 1s): What are you doing again? Yeah. We're making an album, you know? And so yeah, it, it, I'm very, very happy with the way that it came out to. 5 (29m 9s): I did hear you say that it was like, you know, you guys all getting back together, like you can hear now it's all clicking as far as like me listening to the record and like, it's almost like there's so many like reflective, like reminiscing moments in the album that you're talking about. And like, you talk about like the naked photo from a magazine, then the, you know, it comes back later and you guys are doing it or like that. And then there's like a, I forgot what song it was. There's like a breakdown. And it just like, I heard the breakdown and you're, you're in a you're talking and it just like, it took me back to like warp tour, like seeing you at warp tour, like a, I can't remember what song it was. Maybe it was, I don't know. But do you know what I'm talking about? Like it stops and you're kinda like you're, you're talking in the breakdown part. 5 (29m 52s): Yeah. 7 (29m 52s): And then the story that you're referring to is actually a very true story. And I don't mind saying it was currying magazine 5 (29m 60s): When I went under the bus. 7 (30m 1s): Our relationship with them is still great. You know, I've been nothing but amazing us, but yeah, they sent someone down. They were just like, Hey, we want to do just some kind of crazy photo shoot or whatever. So we took naked pictures in my kitchen, which happened to be yellow. And it's just like us naked in my kitchen with just food everywhere and all over us and stuff. And then you fast forward, you know, I don't know, 15 years or so. And we're the, they, they elected us the second stupidest band of all time in between Slipknot and Motley crew, which is great for me. And one of the reasons that was cited was these guys did naked photos in their kitchen or whatever. 7 (30m 44s): It was like, we did that for you guys, 5 (30m 47s): Your magazine. 7 (30m 49s): That's what I, that's what I talked about in the, in that, in that song. It's true story. 5 (30m 54s): That's so funny. Yeah. I love the record. And then you have the Alexa bliss and the song about June Carter. Like all those are all like I'm digging the album, man. Like, and like I said, it just sounds like you guys were just kind of, it was one of those things where you're all hanging out and just kinda like reminiscing on old times and like, oh, we should write, write something down. Right. Like, is that kinda how the record came together? 7 (31m 16s): Well, I just, I wrote it before we went. And so really guys, whenever we were there. And so I did, I wrote about half of it, you know, sitting in here and then, and then another several songs I wrote with Linus of Hollywood who co-produces everything with me. And co-writes a lot of BFS and other projects stuff that I'm, that I do. And then one was Zach Malloy who ended up co-writing my entire country record and producing that for me. Oh wow. And so, but the rest of it, you know, again, all of that was done here in the two months leading up to going and just getting there and being like, no, we gotta, I got a full album here, guys. 7 (31m 60s): Like here's, here's the songs that we're going to record. So, but yeah, again, a lot of it coming off of the fact that, you know, we were in such a good place and it's such a triumphant point in our career where our audiences are still getting bigger and, and all of that. And we just had some really successful tours, then all of a sudden, Hey, you guys are just going to chill for a couple of years. And so, you know, I think that's where, you know, being able to just shout it out from the rooftops of like, you know, the way that I feel about our band and you know, it just made sense. 5 (32m 32s): I love it, man. Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you so much for, for doing this. 7 (32m 36s): Hey, thank you anytime, man. I, I really appreciate the questions and stuff, dude. I, I thank you. 5 (32m 43s): I have one more quick one for you before I let you go. Do you have any advice for aspiring artists? 7 (32m 48s): Yeah. And then they all hate it. When I say this, you know, everybody wants to jump into the van and go and do it old school. And unfortunately that's just not the way of the world anymore. You know, we're 20 years out of that, got to build the socials and I know you get sick of hearing it, but that's, that's the way, you know, that's the new getting in the van. So surround yourself with good people who not only have, you know, the same, same musical interest in you, but, but people who sort of live the same way as you.