Interview with Emarosa

Hello it's Adam! Welcome back to bring in a backwards, a podcast or both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Bradley of the band, Emma Rossa, over zoom video, Bradley moved around quite a bit as a kid. His mom was in the army, so he lived in numerous places. He was born in North Carolina, but he spent most of his adolescent life in Indiana. Didn't get into music until much later in life. As far as playing music, he joined the air force at 18. When he got back from Iraq, he went to a karaoke bar with his family and ended up singing his friends and mom were like, oh my gosh, like you're actually really good at this. 5 (2m 39s): And from there, he kind of got the bug. He went on my space and tried out for a band that was in Michigan. So he moved to Michigan, started playing with a band. There, ended up joining a different band that had a little bit of success. And that's what drew the attention of MRO. So when they needed a singer, so he joins that band. The first record he was on, versus he talked about the struggle of kind of filling the role as the lead singer of the span that had already been established, the struggle with the band, wanting to change their sound and him kind of being a new member and having all that weight on him as the guy changing the sound of the band, the significant change in the band sound on peach club and all about the new record that they've been working on. 5 (3m 25s): And the most recent single called preach. You can watch our interview with Bradley on her Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It would be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and tick-tock at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, apple music or Google podcasts, it would be awesome if you follow us there as well, and hook us up with a five star review, 6 (3m 52s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 5 (3m 58s): We're bringing it backwards with Emma Rosa. I'm Adam, by the way. And I, and this is about you, your journey and music. And we'll talk about the new stuff coming out with MRO. So, 7 (4m 9s): Okay. Dope. Yeah. 5 (4m 11s): Cool. Well, I guess we always start with, where were you originally born and raised 7 (4m 17s): And that's such a loaded question for me right off the 5 (4m 22s): Bat pissing you off, dude. I'm so no, 7 (4m 25s): My mom was military. And so, you know, I was technically, I was born on a military base in North Carolina and then immediately all over the place. Nashville, Honolulu, San Francisco. But I think we ended up in Indiana for quite a while. And so, so I say my hometown is, is in Indiana. 5 (4m 48s): Okay. Wow. What part of the military was she? 7 (4m 51s): She was army and then advise me not to do the army. So I ended up joining the air force. 5 (4m 58s): Oh really? I didn't know that. Okay, cool. Yeah. I'm originally from San Diego. So there was big military presence there. 7 (5m 6s): So you were always west coast? 5 (5m 8s): Yeah, up until recently. I just moved to Nashville about a year and a few months ago. 7 (5m 13s): Yeah. During the, during the pandemic, do you like it? Are you a fan? 5 (5m 15s): I love it here, man. I love it. 7 (5m 17s): Have you experienced the winter yet or is it just 5 (5m 21s): I've experienced the winter and it's definitely cold. 7 (5m 23s): Yeah. I mean even, and even, you know, even Nashville cold is not like winter, 5 (5m 29s): Indiana cold. 7 (5m 30s): Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's worse, but that like effect that like effect gets you 5 (5m 35s): Sure. I have family in Cleveland. So I've experienced a few winners there for like Christmas and stuff, but never had a lift there. 7 (5m 45s): Yeah. It's rough. Yeah. When my mom asked me, are you coming up for Christmas? I'm like, you might be coming here. 5 (5m 52s): Where are you located now? If you don't mind me. I live 7 (5m 54s): In Los Angeles. 5 (5m 55s): Oh, you do? Okay, cool. That's quite a different weather. 7 (5m 60s): Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, I spent the last year in Venice and so you're just in this pocket of perfect weather every day insurance. It's amazing. 5 (6m 10s): That's amazing. That is so cool. So you said Indiana, like how the older you, when you kind of has established roots in Indiana? 7 (6m 16s): Probably a pretty formative years, you know, maybe like 12, 11, 12, and then through high school was, was staying in Indiana because once she retired from the military, we pretty much stayed around other family who was all in Northern Indiana, like just outside of Chicago. So. 5 (6m 36s): Okay. And how did you get a music Question? Huh? 7 (6m 42s): That's great. It's great. Everybody has their story. Right. I was in the military and start really getting into, I got into music, not music, but I got into the world I'm in pretty late. Like I grew up on Paula Abdul and Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson and like George Michael, that was like, you know, I'm in the backseat jamming to whatever my mom was listening to. And so, and so I didn't really get into a lot of like the scene or whatever you want to call it. You know, the more independent music until I was probably like 20, 19, 20 years old. And, but I discovered that through friends when I was in the military and ended up loving, you know, the, the, the fueled by ramen, like ocean day of like of like fall out, boy, the academy is gym class heroes. 7 (7m 33s): Like the pair, more like that was, I was like, that was like the come up when I was learning about it all. And so, and so I went home on leave. I got back from Iraq. I was doing karaoke with my family in Indiana. And I hadn't saying before, but I ended up singing with my uncle and my mom's face just like lit up crazy first. Like it was pretty, pretty indescribable feeling for me. I just saw something that made me think, oh, this is what I want to do. Like, this is what I want to do. So I joined a band off of my space, a band on my space that was like looking for singer. 7 (8m 14s): And I'm like, okay. And I joined never saying in a band, never anything. So everything I learned was, you know, off of the social media days of, of, you know, I was just raised into music from there. And so I joined a bit off my space that lived in Michigan. So I ended up moving to Michigan to just sing for this band 5 (8m 31s): Real quick on that note, like, how did you, you just said, Hey, I'm a singer. Like I want to join your band. Oh. 7 (8m 38s): I was like, Hey, I, I, I, I wa I'd like to audition and yeah. And so, because they, they were very like smaller band, but to me, I was like a band, you know, I think they're already 5 (8m 50s): Out of their band for sure. 7 (8m 52s): Yeah. So, and I didn't have the, the, the benefit of like going to high school with people who played music and like, this is, you know, that whole organic way of doing it. I just didn't have that opportunity. So I did, I emailed them or messaged them. I was like, Hey, I'd like to do it. So they sent me an instrumental, I, you know, I think I just had a buddy who was like, yeah, I can, I can record your vocals. You know? And I was like, okay, I'll, I'll try it. I did it. And they were like, yeah, this is great. Come, you know, come jam with us. And I ended up living with one of the guys for a little while, while I figured out, you know, got my footing in this new place. 7 (9m 32s): Cause I had, I was getting out of the military. My time was up. And so, Hey, I'm out of the military here. We can dive in. And so I went to this very awkward stage of transitioning from military life, to living in a van, traveling the country, playing music with these guys. It was a very drastic change, but it's more, I want to imagine that it's what I wanted to do. And so, 5 (9m 54s): But you went kind of from like job, not only job security, but like you had a place to live and, and all of these different things, like ways to travel, staying come to, okay, we're gonna get in this van and there's like nothing stable about any of this. 7 (10m 9s): Yeah, man. Thanks to remind me, sorry. But I, I, you know, being in that world, you know, in that, in that, in that local Michigan world, you, you, you meet other people meet other bands. And I met a group of people who I really got along with and I think I fit better, you know, as a person in vocally. And so I ended up leaving and singing for that band. And that was the, that was the band that got me a little bit of notoriety. I use that word loosely, but it got me enough attention. I did that band for a couple years. And that is what had MRO. So reach out, you know, almost almost 10 years ago now to, to sing for them. 7 (10m 54s): Yeah. 10 years I've been in this band, still the new guy. 5 (10m 57s): That's crazy. It's still the new guy, even though you're saying on more records than all the previous singer. 7 (11m 5s): Yeah. It's crazy to think about. And it's crazy to think about 5 (11m 10s): Sure. I mean, wow. Well, I'm, I'm curious. Like, so when you were, you said you work 12 ish when you stay or when you landed in Indiana and then were you just doing like sports or anything like that prior to being like, I'm going to join the air force? Was the air force kind of something you always had an eye on because you grew up in 7 (11m 27s): Definitely. I, I mean, I, to be super honest, I want us to be a pro wrestler so bad. I remember freshman year walking into high school. I'm like, I'm joining the rest of the team. And I walk into this gymnasium and there's no ring. And I'm like, what is going on? And I did not know, you know, and this happens to a lot of people and they're just too embarrassed to say it. But like, I didn't know that there was like amateur wrestling and then there was wrestling on TV. So here I am walking in thinking I'm going to be power bombing. Every son that's in here, 5 (11m 60s): DDT somebody. 7 (12m 1s): Yeah. That was not the case, but I stuck with it. I still loved it. My, my, my grandpa was a pro wrestler. My uncle was a pro wrestler, just like small, independent. So I was like, oh, I want to do that. But you know, after, after high school, I just, I was very aimless because it's a very small town where I was from when there was not a lot of, you know, there just the, the mentality there is, you know, you're here and this is in your content here and you're happy. And I, and I, and I envy that because that like, lifestyle can be very appealing, but I, I definitely got nudged by some close people in my life who were like, you gotta get outta here, you gotta do something. 7 (12m 45s): And I'm like, I don't have any passion. I had no passion. I was, I was just like very aimless. I was 18. Maybe. 5 (12m 53s): Yeah. A lot of people at that age. I mean, you don't know you're going to do, like, I remember at that age I was, I thought I wanted to do like 50 things, but then it was like, oh, this takes a little more work. Okay. I don't want to do that. Well, haunted. 7 (13m 6s): Yeah. I think it's, I think it's tough that we're forced to pick our road service with so little life experience. 5 (13m 15s): Oh, you know, it what, the handful of core classes that they teach you through school. And then they're like, okay, you want to beat this? That you've never learned anything about. Okay. 7 (13m 26s): Yeah. There was a whole world out there that, you know, you just don't, you just don't know. But I lost my, I lost my train of thought, but I was pretty aimless. It was suggested to me to, you know, go the military, my best friend, he got in some legal trouble. And the judge was like, Hey, you can either go to jail or you can go to the military. And he's like, okay, good, good choices. And he went to the military and then he told me, he was like, Hey, it was the best thing that happened to me. Because like, you know, you get, you get shown this whole shade of life that you never seen introduced to a lot of things, life experiences, like, all right, I'll do it. And so then I did it like just on a, on a whim. 7 (14m 8s): I was like, yeah, I'll do it too. And then just ended up in it. I was a firefighter for four years and 5 (14m 15s): Ah, that's what I was interested in doing. Then I had my friend in San Diego, his dad was really high up in the San Diego fire farm. 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You know, obviously it comes with its sacrifices, but at the end of the day, like I was passionate about music. And so that's what spoke to me. And, and once you find that one thing, I think everything else just falls to the wayside. 5 (16m 26s): Sure. So you ended up getting this bandit and then you decide, okay, I'm going to move to Michigan. And I mean, that must have been, it was that kind of terrifying. Like, I don't know any, I don't really know these people probably that are in this band. I believe that. But a city you don't know. 7 (16m 41s): Yeah. I mean, I was young and naive and I didn't care. I was like, this is music. This is what I want to do. So that part of it really didn't at the time I wasn't thinking like, oh, you know, I was just like, yeah, this I'm going and I'm doing this. And, and this is like, what's going to happen. This is like, what's next for me. 5 (16m 59s): Okay. And was this band sort of established at that time? Like, did they have a following at all or, 7 (17m 3s): Yeah. I mean, as, as much as a MySpace following you can, you know, those, there was those days where I was like, oh, there was those my space bands. But, but it wasn't anything, you know, not to the extent that I am, I am now comparatively, 5 (17m 21s): But 7 (17m 22s): Just to, yeah, just some small bands, the, you know, the, the band that I was in before, this was squid, the whale and that, I mean, the, the drummer of that band is still my best friend to this day. We've been friends since, since we did that. And, and that's so many years I'm reflecting back on that, but, but yeah, just, you know, smaller, local, Michigan bands. And then I got, you know, got the email. I got, I got the email asking me to audition 5 (17m 53s): And then yeah. For MROs that you're talking about. 7 (17m 55s): Yes. Yes. 5 (17m 56s): Okay. So you did, were you still in that band, but when you left to join MROC? 7 (18m 2s): Yeah, I told 'em I so long story short, I had went and I auditioned and they were like, okay. Yeah. Let's, you know, we want to move forward. And I actually just did it. I wasn't sure if I was ready for that, because I kind of, at that time, I had put some years into the industry. I knew about the band and I didn't know if I could handle what was going to come with that, knowing the situation, you know? But so, you know, I actually, I was just like, ah, I, you know, I appreciate it. But I stuck with the band that I was in at the time. And a year later, things hadn't really been moving, you know, in the band I was in. 7 (18m 44s): And so I was really, I started to reconsider that opportunity. Luckily I don't, I, I, I, I don't recall if I reached out or if they reached out, I think they, I think I had reached out to, ER, who's always been the one I was closest to and I reached out to eat and I was like, oh man, I, you know, I feel like I should have like, looked at the opportunity harder and he texts me back. I love that. I love that story to this day. Anyway, somehow we ended up, you know, all rekindling and, and, and, and, and I moved forward with the opportunity. 5 (19m 30s): How long did it take between there and like him telling you that you probably like, ah, damn like, okay, that was good. 7 (19m 35s): I think it was, I don't think it was very long. It was like a, a couple months that, that maybe I think, I think, you know, an old member of the team had reached out or something. It was like, Hey, you know, why don't you reconsider this? Or, you know, we're, you know, and yeah. And then I did, and that was 2013. 5 (19m 57s): Wow. And from there on you, I mean, obviously you've been in the band that long and what was it like joining or going from at that point? They were pretty established band. Obviously 7 (20m 7s): It had been pretty stagnant for like four years, so it fell off and that was like, what's, you know, and they honestly, they were all working at Jimmy John's so that they could like keep living, you know, cause there was no band stuff happening. So it was, you know, definitely a long road to like they were established for sure. And I'm very grateful for the opportunity because it's granted me, you know, it's granted me more opportunities within that, that I'm very thankful for sure. But it was a startling jump from where I was, I was ill-equipped for sure to go from where I was to, you know, where they were. 5 (20m 54s): Right. I mean, I can imagine that only like, especially going in as the new singer, right. I mean, did you have to start off by singing the old songs and then what was it like? Was it hard to kind of be now the front man of a band that you hadn't really played with a whole lot? Yes. 7 (21m 9s): A thousand percent. All of those, all of that. Yes. It was, it was difficult for sure. Put me in a rough place. I, I, I just walked into the scenario and just, it was just like bullied from day one by, by the fan base, you know, it's like, and then I, yeah, bullied from day one by the fan base. And I, and for years I did play the old songs and people I've seen it. I've seen it where people like, oh, he doesn't play the old, his, his ego. Won't let him play the old songs anymore. And it's like, ah, that's not really the case. 7 (21m 49s): Like at all, like I, I, you know, going into the, going into the first record, I was like, oh, we should be, you know, I was scared. I was like, well, we should be as close to the last record as we can musically and this and that. And they were on a different wavelength. They were like, no, we're going to do something very different. And like, we want this and this. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to get eaten alive for, for this, you know, because I became the scapegoat for every choice that the band made because I was new. And so everything that happened, it was like, oh, it's gotta be because of this guy. 5 (22m 19s): Right. It's like, oh no sound, because he's now in the band now, now it's going to change. They're like, oh my gosh. Yeah. He had the weight of the world in the canvas 7 (22m 27s): To be fair. I, I will say like into the peach club and now this like preach in our new record, full on. I will take responsibility for being a very strong hand in that shift in sound. And I'm very proud of it, but Thank you. But jumping into it, you know, almost a decade ago, I was still very young. I did not know I was still young in this industry. I was still young in this, you know, I didn't know anything about the level that this band was at and how to navigate it. And so I did everything that I could to try to, you know, appease the fans and, and I did, I was like, Hey, we should keep singing the old stuff. 7 (23m 12s): And they're like, no, like we're, you know, we're done with that. I'm like, okay, you got it. 5 (23m 18s): Yeah. It's not, you can't go out and explain all of that to people like, okay, just so you guys know, 7 (23m 24s): You just have to, you just have to take it on the chin. And I did for what feels like, like what feels like a decade 5 (23m 34s): Because 7 (23m 34s): We'll post we'll post things and, and, and, and even now like posting for each, there's still those that are like, what happened to this band? And it's like, oh, oh, you have not been paying attention. 5 (23m 45s): Right. So, 7 (23m 46s): You know, it is what it is at the end of the day. Like now we're making stuff that we're, we're proud of. And, and, and like I said, when I, when I joined, like got to the music, it was like the MySpace age. So my, I was, I was, I was built to like, in the social media world of music where it's like, that's how I know if I'm good or not. What is social media saying? And that was a really hard thing to unlearn that like, it's like, like Twitter doesn't matter. And you know, that like those kinds of things go, that was a very hard thing to unlearn that, that the internet opinions, you have to take them with a grain of salt. 5 (24m 25s): Right. And it's, it's even more, you know, accelerated in that aspect now with, with people having a song on tick-tock go viral. And then it's like, they have this fan base that it's built essentially online. And if they try to go play, you know, the Roxy in LA, maybe six people will show up, like you have this million plus fan base. 7 (24m 47s): It's a strange time. Well now, you know, there's going to be, cause there's going to be, you're going to end up paying. I can see it now. Like the you're gonna end up paying a digital ticket and in the metaverse, and that's how you're going to go to a show. And so those Tik TOK people are going to have millions of people. Who've paid $2 to go to their concert. And they're just at home doing a concert and making, you know, 5 (25m 9s): That's so bizarre. It's so bizarre. That whole metaphor is just blows my mind. It's like, 7 (25m 15s): It's the Sims dude. It's the Sims with goggles on. I don't understand how people aren't picking that up. It's like, it is just like, you're just now in first person of your Sims character, like, you know what I mean? 5 (25m 27s): You can buy like property in the game. Like what that blows my mind. I've my son's 14. And he is way into, you know, he has the Oculus and all that. And he's shown me how to do launch this. You can like go watch a basketball game court side. I'm like, that's so cool. But I could also just watch it on TV and be like legit in the game. Like, as people are going back and forth, I'm going to see every good play. Yeah. I just, I doesn't, I just feel old. I'm like, I don't understand this. Like at all. Yeah. 7 (25m 59s): It's tough. It's like, you know, you gotta, you gotta keep your finger on the pulse. 5 (26m 3s): Right. It's like, why would you in with NFTs? Like all that to me, I'm like, why would I buy a digital picture? Like if it was, I understand if like I own the piece of art and I'm hanging it on my wall and people are going to come to my house and they're like, oh, damn you have that. Yeah. Not like, dude, check this like email out that I have when I own this picture. 7 (26m 22s): Yeah. It's tricky. There's there's arguments to both sides. I, you know, 5 (26m 26s): No, I know there are, it's just, I just feel like such a dinosaur, like trying to figure this out. I'm like what? Wow. Yeah. That's crazy to think about that. Yeah. The metaverse concerts and stuff like just, oh my gosh. Well, well, so you come in on verses and it's like, okay, like you said, you have to, they want to change the sound. And like, you're like, okay, I gotta write this record and kind of help. Like, cause that was the first record that you were on, correct? 7 (26m 53s): Yes. Yeah. 5 (26m 54s): Okay. Was it a hard to, you know, write and navigate, like with all these new people and yeah. You must've been overwhelmed. 7 (27m 1s): It was a miserable experience and I, and I've been no stranger to say like, people think I don't love that record. And, and, and, and to an extent yes, but it was my experience making the record the, which is why I have such disdain for it. And in a sense, let it go. But it was a very miserable experience. Like, you know, the, the band has gone through many, many shapes and sizes and experiences, and that was not a good one. And shortly after that, you know, there was no fault of their own, but there was people who were ready to be out of that band before I stepped foot in the door. They just, that's a hard thing to let go when you have years of your life invested in something. 7 (27m 46s): And it's hard thing to realize that you're ready for the next thing and you're ready to move on from that. And so I think that was a situation that was happening back then. And, and so, yeah, it was a difficult record to make. And, and I think that, you know, ultimately, I, I, I want to be proud of that record, but the experience making it was rough, rough, Very rough 5 (28m 9s): On that next album. Do you feel like you had your footing more? I mean, 7 (28m 13s): Yeah. 5 (28m 13s): You had a couple of years in the band at this farm, a handful of years in the band at this point, and you already had a record out. 7 (28m 19s): Yeah. And, and we got to be, you know, I think doing that record with Casey Bates was the best move cause he was, he was wonderful in making that record and you know, it was, it was much, it was a much lighter experience, you know, because like we just had a better energy and yeah. And that was great. And I loved that record and it, and it did really cool stuff for us. We got to do a lot of things and I think it was a great, it's a great alternative rock record. I think it was a much. And if you look at like verses 2, 1 31, you can see the lightness, you can feel the lightness in the record. 7 (29m 1s): Like, it feels like none of them are necessarily happy, but they feel brighter. You know? So after 1 31, the tour a lot, and then it was time to do the next record. And I was like, I, I was like, I think, you know, like we did the, we've done the alternative rock thing. Like we make another rock record, like it's another rock record and I didn't want to do that. And we didn't really want to do that. So we ended up going with Courtney Ballard and doing peach club. And that was the experience. 5 (29m 34s): Yeah. Oh, you're really aware of 7 (29m 37s): The best, best person Courtney and I, and I, and I will say this with all competence. We are a dream team when it comes to writing together. Absolutely love working with him, loved making peach club. It was so fun. It was so bold. It was such a, it, if you just listened to 1 31, then he listened to peace club as a whole. It is a drastic genre shift. And I can share For sure. I will say that moving forward from peach club, it will not be such a, such a drastic change. It would kind of be like the 1 31 to our versus, you know, in, in a way, but, but it's, but making peach club was wonderful. 7 (30m 25s): And then we did, you know, we did great things with peace club. Unfortunately, they were cut short because the pandemic we got to do, we only got to do one tour with peach club. And then, you know, obviously the world's shut down and so been pretty stagnant for years. Then things open up, we go to do this new record and Courtney again, we, you know, ER, and I sat there with Courtney and I think we knocked it out of the park and there was some great people that we brought in on, on this new record. And I have to be careful cause I haven't talked about the new record yet. So I don't want to be like, say like, oh, this or that. You know what I mean? 5 (31m 5s): But I love talking about the new record. 7 (31m 7s): Yeah. It's it's going to be a minute. I mean, we're going to be putting out, you know, we're going to be putting out. Yeah. We're going to be putting out tracks, but, but preach, I think is a great staple point of the record though. The way that given up was a great introduction to beach club. I think that is what preach is for this new album. 5 (31m 26s): That's super exciting. 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He's been in the original guy. 7 (33m 12s): He has been, you know, he has been the rock of this band since day one and him and I, like I said earlier, he, you know, was always, I was the closest with him. And so we've always been like, it's just always been the right fit, you know? And so making well, you know, Courtney, Courtney was a huge part of writing this record the same way that he was with peach club. And then, you know, we, we have like Steph Steph is the final piglet poco. He, he wrote some stuff. We, we had this dude, Jared, who is, he has this project called veins. 7 (33m 57s): Like, and then our friend Emelia. 5 (33m 59s): And I know, I know the band guys before. 7 (34m 3s): Yeah. They, they, they help add in some like production and they are, they pitch ideas and it all kind of gets blended together. I mean, we walked into this new record with probably 50 ideas. 5 (34m 13s): Wow. 7 (34m 14s): And we were like, here's everything let's sift through it. All right. It, I mean, preach of course for preach was rewritten three times before we were like, it was actually on the chopping block. We were going to cut the song. Yeah. And I was having a, I was, I was on a call with one of my friends who I also like would teach and him and I were spitballing and he helped come up with the idea for the actual chorus that we have now. So 5 (34m 45s): Wow. And then it's a one out is the first song from the record. 7 (34m 48s): And it ended up being yeah. And it ended up being the first track, which is, 5 (34m 53s): Oh, wow. Okay. It's the first song, the album. And it's the first, yeah. The first bit of 7 (34m 59s): It is the first song on the album. 5 (35m 3s): Wow. 7 (35m 4s): I think it's, I think it's great. I love the video. I love, you know, Thomas Dutton did the music video and he, he was the singer for this band. Forget Durden, which I don't know if you remember those. 5 (35m 17s): Yeah. 7 (35m 17s): They were in that same world that fueled by world gray band. But anyway, he did a fantastic job on the video. The whole thing has really come together, you know, better than I could have imagined. It was scary. Definitely scary to be like gone for so long. We hadn't, we hadn't put out a song in 890 days. So 5 (35m 39s): Yeah. That's pretty specific. I mean, but I I'm sure you knew exactly. You're like, yeah, it's been one day. Wow. When did you start working on the album Or writing? I, she didn't say writing for that low. 7 (35m 56s): I would say, I mean, I mean there's songs that are on the album from 2019. So we've, you know, there's been iterations of songs that have been brought in are from all, I mean, there was there's songs on the record that were written in the studio that day, you know, it's just, it's all, it's all across the board. 5 (36m 18s): That's amazing. And did you plan on go out and playing, like, do you have any shows or anything you're going to do to support or nothing? 7 (36m 27s): We don't have anything announced. It's a little tricky still for me, I'm seeing shows still get canceled because of, you know, COVID and, and, and tours are like, oh, we have to postpone this tour now. And that's just, it's a lot to put in. It's a lot to put in, you know, 5 (36m 47s): It's a lot of work to see something maybe that it's going to get cancer. 7 (36m 51s): Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, I definitely think, I mean, there's definitely going to be, there's definitely gonna be shows. There's definitely gonna be tours. It's going to be, you know, full on. There's going to be a record. It's just a matter of like making it happen the right time. 5 (37m 6s): Okay. That's good. That's exciting though. That's really, I'm sure your Palm man. I mean, it's been so long ago 7 (37m 11s): And I am the record is so good. It's so great. 5 (37m 14s): I love that. I love that. I'm so happy for you guys. It's sick. 7 (37m 18s): Thank you. Thank you. 5 (37m 19s): So you have the, yeah. The song, the videos out for, for, for preach now. Yep. Yeah. And then when do you anticipate the next song being released? Or are you guys just gonna, cause this is just came out. I mean, it's 7 (37m 31s): Just came out 5 (37m 33s): Yesterday, right? 7 (37m 34s): Yeah. 5 (37m 35s): For this, for the purpose of day today. But I mean obviously when the episode goes up, I was just curious. 7 (37m 41s): Yeah. So it came out the 27th, I would say. I mean, there are, there are, there's many more singles to come this year, so how they're spaced out, how they're spaced out. I'm not positive. We're just kind of flying by the seat of our pants. And so when we're ready to put it out, we put it out. 5 (38m 0s): Okay. And how long in the studio where you guys, where you they're writing the record? When did you know it was going to be an album or did you know it's going to be an album from day one 7 (38m 8s): Going in with Courtney? We knew it was going to be an album, you know? And then we, I think, I think we went, we went in for awhile. Then we kind of took a break during like Thanksgiving, I believe, and then came back to revisit the album after, you know, after the holiday and kind of wrapped it up and finished it up. And so I, I would say over the course of like two months, I mean, to be the record's not even finished right now, as far as like, you know, mixing and mastering goes, it's like, but all the pieces are moving. You know, 5 (38m 46s): I mean with this, this album was probably done so much differently than anything you had ever done prior, as far as writing a record with the band, just in the sense that you guys were touring and then you were writing a record in between tours and then you get back on the road and then 7 (38m 59s): Yeah, 5 (38m 60s): You may have a sense of you've been sitting around. No one was doing anything as far as touring for a long time. So you have a lot of time to, to focus on, you know, the record at least. Was that a benefit for the, the album, do you think? 7 (39m 15s): I think so. I've seen a lot of people speak about, you know, making a record on tour is just not the right move. And it depends on your perspective, depends on like, you know, your genre and how specific you are about the sounds and things. You know, obviously you're not going to have a string quartet on your bus and, you know, try to figure that out. But for us, I just, just wrote for so long. And so it's good index, maybe you're overthinking and you're overriding and you have too much time to analyze your songs or you don't have enough time or, you know, there's, it's depends on your perspective for us. This, this was pretty similar writing style to what we did with peach club, but do a lot of writing with Courtney because I just love his input. 7 (40m 2s): And we also do a lot of writing with like, with this guy, Alan Lewis, who's also, he just adds this special bit of production, but I, I did, I did on peace club. I was told to kind of pull back a little bit on like vocally. I was told to kind of hold back, not hold back, but I, I felt a little restricted in certain parts and, and, and, and on this new record, there was nobody there to tell me to, to back off. So I just went full, whatever I wanted to do, I just did. 5 (40m 42s): Do you feel like that's why I became a little more, I guess, edgy compared to the, the peach club record or, 7 (40m 49s): Yeah, it doesn't have a lot more, yeah, there's, there's a lot more attitude on this record. I would say this at this record has a lot more attitude, has a little bit of a chip on its shoulder compared to the lightness and the kindness of peach club, 5 (41m 2s): Right? Yeah. Cause going into pizza club, did you know that you are, where you just in the earlier, you guys all kind of inspired to write more of a, 7 (41m 9s): Can you just so excited to change John Aras and so excited to try something new that, you know, we were just doing it, you know, and we were, you know, some of the songs we played it safe, but the, I don't feel like that's the case moving forward. 5 (41m 26s): Amazing. 7 (41m 28s): Yeah. I mean, I, can you listen to preach and I, and I can just hear so many, I can hear, you know, I can hear the George, Michael, I can hear the Janet Jackson and the new Jack swing. I just, I hear 'em. I feel like I'm sitting in the back of my mom's car and that's the best feeling I could get from it. 5 (41m 46s): That's amazing. That's amazing, man. Well, I, I, again, I love the song and the video you guys have done, which is really incredible. I cannot wait to hear the, the rest of what you guys have in store. Cause I I've been a fan of your band for a long time. So I think that, and I really appreciate your time, man, today. This has been fun. 7 (42m 3s): It is my pleasure. It is my pleasure. Yeah. I, I appreciate that very much. It, it, it does not go unnoticed. We are very grateful for the, for the people who have been there for, you know, even longer than I have who still, who have grown up and like still listen to this band because their tastes have changed the same way that our Scouts, you know, and that's, I think that's who we relate to the most. I personally can't relate to someone who is like, Hey, I would really love another hardcore record. And it's like, well, there are bands for you, but this is not the one. 5 (42m 37s): Right. And I that's what I appreciate about your band and the fact that you were able to continue to kind of, you know, evolve in, in, because if you were writing the same record you wrote, you know, 10 years ago now, like, okay, like it's either, that's what I always find industry interesting with people and like hardcore fans of bands that will be like, they shouldn't have like, you know, late changed their sound or blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, yeah, we're all getting older. We're all evolving as artists. Like you wouldn't write the same stuff you listened to, or you're probably listening to different stuff. Like it just, it changes people's eye. Anyway, 7 (43m 14s): I met, I mentioned it. I mentioned that when we did peace club and it's like, you know, everybody goes through puberty and it's like, this band just happens to keep going through puberty. Like we just keep growing and keep changing. And I don't know, like, look, I will not say that the record after this, isn't going to be a hardcore record. I don't know what we're going to make. We're going to make whatever we want to when the time comes. Right. And, and that's just the benefit of, you know, being in this band, like we are allowed to do that and can, and so, but I'm having a blast. I'm having a blast now. 5 (43m 52s): That's awesome. That's all that matters. And then if you're enjoying it and you're putting out rad music, everyone else will, or your fans or whoever will definitely hear that and see that. I think that's awesome. 7 (44m 3s): Well, thank 5 (44m 3s): You. Yeah. Thank you so much for doing this right away. I appreciate your time, man. 7 (44m 8s): It's my pleasure. 5 (44m 9s): I do have one more quick question. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists, 7 (44m 16s): Why his first plant artists, man, just enjoy it. Now. It is, it is a, it is a cliche for a reason, but like you are, you are in the good parts right now. Like you are in the good part because in 10 years you're going to look back and like, man, that was so cool. You know what? That was so hard, but I love what I learned. And I spent way too much time in the good parts wanting to be to the next place. And I didn't sit and think, oh, I'm in it. I'm doing this. Like we, we were in the middle of a, before the pandemic, we were in the middle of a sold-out tour. 7 (44m 58s): And I was just thinking about the next thing. Instead of like we're in the middle of a sold-out tour, you know, eight years into me joining this band, like finally doing it. And I wasn't appreciating appreciating it in the moment. And, and so now it's a, it's a perspective that I have that like, just be in that moment and let yourself enjoy it. But it's sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it sucks, but you're not going to remember that. You're not going to be like, oh, it was hard here. You're going to remember. Those were the good times.