Interview with Ez Mil

What's going on?! It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with easy mil over zoom video, easy mil was born and raised in the Philippines. And he talks about how he got into music, where he was raised death metal, heavy metal. That was really popular growing up. So early on, he got into death metal bands and really heavy music. He had a bunch of metal bands and different hardcore bands over the course of the years that he had started really online. You'd meet people online, they would pass tracks back and forth. 4 (2m 6s): All this is pre COVID. He's doing the file sharing online producing thing. You know, years and years ago, he ends up moving to Las Vegas to continue to pursue his career in music. He took part in this 24 bar challenge where he was sent a beat and he had a rap over it. I know you're going like, whoa. He had thought he was in death metal. He started out there and then he slowly kind of moved over to hip hop R and B. He just loved music found out that he was really good at rapping. So people were like, Hey, you should do this 24 bar challenge. He ends up doing it. He advances and gets an opportunity in the Philippines to work with this radio station called wish 1 0 7 0.5. 4 (2m 48s): And he goes on their wish bus and performs a couple or three of his original songs. And one of those songs absolutely blows up online. It's called <inaudible>. So he talks to us about that song, the success of that song being approached by a bunch of different major labels, putting out his first full album and all about his new record, which is called duality. You can watch our interview with easy mill on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It would be awesome if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik TOK at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, apple music, Google podcasts, it'd be awesome if you follow us there as well, and hook us up with a five star review, 5 (3m 36s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 4 (3m 42s): We're bringing it backwards with easy mill. What's up, 6 (3m 46s): Man? 4 (3m 46s): How are you? 6 (3m 48s): Well, so Adam, 4 (3m 49s): How are you as 6 (3m 50s): Adam? 4 (3m 51s): Yes. 6 (3m 53s): Hi. Nice to meet you, Adam. Nice to 4 (3m 54s): Meet you. I appreciate you doing this. Thank you so much 6 (4m 0s): And no call no problems. My aunt's 4 (4m 3s): Cool. Well, this podcast is about you, your journey in music, and we'll talk about the new record and then, and the new single as well. 6 (4m 12s): Definitely. Thank you will. 4 (4m 16s): Awesome. Awesome. So I did see that you were born and raised in the Philippines. 6 (4m 21s): Yes. So 4 (4m 22s): Very cool. Talk to me about that a little bit. My mother-in-law is actually born and raised in Milan. So she's moved here from Manila, from Manila. 6 (4m 35s): Oh, I'm sorry. The audio is a little bit oh, 4 (4m 39s): Oh, sorry. Manila. 6 (4m 42s): Yeah, I, I that's cool. That's cool. That's awesome to know. 4 (4m 46s): Yeah. So she just San Diego and she was 12. 6 (4m 51s): Yeah. So my whole family actually. Yeah, my whole, my whole family was born and raised in actually along the passivity or otherwise we call it Subic bay in the Philippines. So that's what kind of like the background of the bands or like being surrounded by band music was like, you know, the whole range of the Johns. But mostly at the time I would say it's like a rock, you know, rock metal and like eighties hair metal. That was like their, they 4 (5m 30s): Really 6 (5m 32s): That's what I would soak up, but 4 (5m 34s): Oh, interesting. Like, like we're there, you know, they're just bands from there, like original bands, like 6 (5m 44s): Yeah, the Subic bay. It was, it used to be a Naval base. So like, it would like, you know, the American culture, which is like to that city, it would be like the open port. It's still a support to this day. 4 (6m 3s): That's amazing. That's so cool. So you soaked up like that type of music. Well, when did you get into music? Was that the first music that you were really getting into or were you not really so much into rock metal? 6 (6m 18s): I mean like at the time of course them, like my parents being into that, like, of course that was their like, you know, way of living and how they, you know, made ends meet. I would say they like, you know, some of the gifts that they would give me as like a child was like some drums and some guitars, you know? 4 (6m 39s): Oh, they're in it. So they're into that type of music. Your parents were, 6 (6m 43s): Yeah, that's my dad. So it wasn't necessarily like me. I wasn't too hipped on it. Like, you know, I would try the germs like, and then try that gets hard. Didn't necessarily like, you know, get to be too interested in it because like, of course when you give someone something to do, they're not necessarily gonna like follow my own little, like pathway of what, like more as if like music and like what I would listen to like from kids from a kid. 6 (7m 23s): And then like, as I got a little bit older, I would listen to rap on me and stuff like that. So it didn't necessarily make the music get. But when I started making music, I would say high school, it will be like escort. 4 (7m 40s): Oh, really? You went from your parents being in a hair metal and like that heavy music to you're going down your own lane of hip hop R and B. And then you go back to them to have like metal is, you said, interesting. What'd you do in the band? Were you the singer? 6 (7m 60s): I did kind of a little bit everything like around high school and college, like I was start off just China figure out because there was a, not a lot of people like working on recordings, you know, they would have like, you know, I want it to be that for a lot of people. I guess that was the kind of my goal, like at a certain time, like early college and then like late high school, I was learning, I was trying my best to learn everything when it comes to like the being like a home studio, just do my laptop. And I remember showing people some stuff, but, you know, I was still really, really wrong. 6 (8m 42s): Just me trying, trying to, cause you know, you have to deal with like, you know, real recorded snares and like, you know, shakes in the guitars and all the tones and stuff like that. But they're like, you know, the bare bones of what, what music is supposed to be like, but then you have to formulate a song with just those instruments, like, you know, guitar, bass, drums, and then just vocals. And then you would have to figure out the melodies were just the guitars along the whole like opera scale, the bass and the cake. And like the Toms would be like the main rhythmic backbone then I guess that's where I would say like most of the musical songwriting, but it was kinda my, like, you know, non, non systematic university for like mixing mastery. 4 (9m 40s): And this is, you're doing all this with that band. So you're learning how to record the guitars. 6 (9m 47s): Yeah. It was just like, it was actually a couple bands. I formed some online bands. It was mostly not all online. And then I would go around like, you know, my city or like a couple of my home towns in the Philippines, just skating around like, you know, looking for people who have the same interests for like deathcore death metal. There was not a lot of us. So that's why I stayed on online. Mostly like I had like eight bands this still active today, like in terms of like Facebook profiles. 4 (10m 21s): Interesting. 6 (10m 23s): But we have remained 4 (10m 27s): Totally different than what you're doing now. 6 (10m 30s): Yeah. But you know, still in tech with that interest, I still listen to my favorite artists. 4 (10m 36s): Sure. Wow. That's interesting. So how do you go from that to, to the, the hip hop that you're doing now? 6 (10m 43s): I mean, I guess I would say I just love me, man. So just being able to make the music I would say is an honor. It's like if privilege, I would say that because like a lot of the people, even my dad and my mom, they would say the technology to take today is like what benefits? Like, you know, people who really want it, you know, we really want to go for it. Then you have a lot that is already there for you. But the hard work is still has to be hard work to be able to like, you know, because it's not just an interest, it starts off as that making the music like you have to really dive into because it's like you go in the lab. 6 (11m 29s): Right? 4 (11m 29s): Sure. Wow. That's interesting that you have so many active bands in, especially like online. So it sounds like you were doing this way before, obviously COVID and all that. So you almost had a leg up to people that were like, oh, now how do I record music? How do I work with people? I got to figure out all this remote stuff. So you are meeting people online and then sending tracks back and forth. Interesting. 6 (11m 54s): Some made some good relationships, like friendships that if we just talk like out of the blue, it's like, cool. You know, like email gone out of my way to, you know, to visit them in their places. Because some of them in Italy, Australia, you know, some parts in some parts in the Southern America's and Northern Americans, you know, just people who have the interest for like death core slash definitely technical sub genres of like the death room of 4 (12m 32s): Sure. So when do you start then as mill, as like a hip hop project, 6 (12m 37s): Easy mail. So that started when, because I would say the metal, you know, it goes so far unless you're like a dye artist murder or like suicide silence. And of course, if you have one, like Maysoon pit, like I would say whole, you are by dart, that's murder. You only live once by suicide silence, those records. Then they hit a little bit in the mainstream and they 4 (13m 8s): Sit there. 6 (13m 10s): But I w I didn't get that. I didn't get to that point in time, early enough in my life to where, like, you know, my, the metal side of like the music that I was making actually, like, you know, worked out for me. So I had an interest as well for rap and hip hop and R and B, and even some reggae soul, because it's still in like the band room and like composing it, it just like, was that like knowledge heard of like, you know, the little, like the little plateau that I had to get over for like learning how to make R and B and rap, because it was like compared to like metal and band music. 6 (13m 54s): It's a lot more like, you know, kind of quiet when it comes to how you, like, you know, set up some of the instruments that have to be in black, more perfect. Kind of. So like just how to, I di I dove deep into that side and then learn how to make the music on that. And then like, along the way, even just learning, I made sure to also try to give my knowledge back to the people that was following me, even though there was like 200 of them, you know, at the time. But I also gained a lot of knowledge from people that I worked with. So like, the panel was like, you know, that record as like a suggestion from my mom, like, because of the background of like, you know, me being in school, in the Philippines, like my whole up until 18, like, you know, 17 being in the Philippines here where I right now, so, 4 (14m 55s): Oh, you're in the Philippines right now. 6 (14m 57s): Yes, sir. 4 (14m 58s): I was wondering, it looks dark outside. Cause I read that you moved to the states and you were like in Vegas or something. Did you move out of Vegas? 6 (15m 6s): No, we still in Vegas right now. We just see in the Philippines for a 2.0 4 (15m 13s): Killer. So you're on tour right now. 6 (15m 16s): So we just finished the first leg in Manila and then the up next ones are going to be in that wall bug you then the Metta and along the pool, a lot of different places, all spread out on the Philippines just is actually my first time. Well, not necessarily first time anymore, but that first leg we finished, that was my first time performing my, my, like a full set of my originals for like a live crowd that I would consider to be like, you know, my fans and supporters that I've always longed to have because like, you know, making it is making it is just that hard to like, to have your own core fan base enough, forever grateful for anybody comes out and shows. 6 (16m 14s): So, and then, yeah, I'm back home for 4 (16m 19s): That must be so cool. That must be like, I mean so much to you. I mean, coming home and having this big fan base and doing a tour and wow, 6 (16m 29s): It's a real man. Just like how they, they received the, I I'm, I'm pure bread from here, but in color shows like, you know, from, as a child, just dealing with that, there's like the acceptance snap. They have accepted that. They've upset that along the Presidio as well, like as a whole, that some of us come from that side of a, like a Naval base pass and a lot of this kind of look, you know, a little Caucasian busier and then, but 4 (17m 8s): Your parents in the Navy or was your family and you just lived on that side of the, 6 (17m 13s): I would say ancestral wise, like, you know, like some of the grand grandparents, like grant grant, I would say some soldiers as well. That's what my last name is Miller. So there's that, that plays in part, my uncle's name is Douglas, so I don't know, 4 (17m 35s): You know, 6 (17m 38s): Perspective, like I shall return. 4 (17m 42s): That's awesome. Well that, so your career really took off in what? 20, 21 or 2020 as, as email. Okay. So tell me about, so did you move to, when did you move to the United States and how does that play into the success of the song? Because from what I was reading about the song is it got really popular. One what like a radio station in the Philippines, right? 6 (18m 6s): Yes. It was called wish 1 0 7 0.5. And like, because wish 1 0 7 0.5 started in the Philippines, mainly as like a, like a, it was, it's a bus, you know, like a bus that you hop on and there's like a Mike over there. Some like electronic drone. So you can bring a guitar over, if you want it's select perform your own original songs. Then I was, you know, by the grace of God, give him the chance to perform three your mind from my, my first album act one as easy mode. 4 (18m 43s): How did you get that? Do you remember how that all happened? 6 (18m 47s): Innocent, man, it's kind of blurry because, because when the blowup started happening, it just kind of set in pace like right now I am where I am. I'm like so focused on duality on the next album, but as to how that happened, I would say beforehand, I got on the silence called the 24 bars, mark beats challenge. And it was a rap challenge that was like blowing up in the Philippines already. Then they just suggested to me like, why don't we do this? I was already in states at this time. And then I just tried it out and I guess I spazzed on it. 6 (19m 32s): And then people started sharing it like crazy. And I would, I would, I just remember that was the first time I was like taken aback by like how people was receiving, like, you know, easy being like, because that was my nickname actually from Zico Miller. Right. And like easy Mo from just that I took the keel and learns and the killer, I just took that from easy kale Miller that's easy male. Right. And then I just named a YouTube channel after that. That's where I would say it's such a blur, man. 6 (20m 12s): I, I like I did so much. So like, yeah, I did the 24 bars challenge and then got some, like millions of views. It was just like a hit, I hit for the streets, you know, for the Philippines. And they were just like sharing it, like crazy, even like kids in like the farms, you know, here, like the provinces where some, some of my relatives are as well. They know it's 24 bars. They've been asking me to get on some of the new challenges out today, but mostly busy I've had that happen. Thankfully. 6 (20m 51s): And of course, Yeah, I guess when the <inaudible> and then, so the three songs where IDK, freeze and wish. I mean, I did freeze and the first songs that I am, that's a hop on for wish and by the grace of God as well, like it was probably one of the few times that they, that they actually allowed all three submissions from an artist to like be published, 7 (21m 25s): You know? 6 (21m 27s): Yeah. It was like, it was, it felt overwhelming. The positive for me. It's just a lot of people are saying that I deserved because they've seen, they've seen what I've been trying to do with the music for a long time, still, like from the metal then when that pasta popped off with, with the panel now that was a different level of like, like my, 4 (21m 59s): And then your mom did your mom's like somehow she likes, suggested using some of the samples for the song. Right? Is that what I was saying? 6 (22m 6s): Yeah. The first cause like we have in the Philippines, a couple of like folk songs that we would dance in schools, like in high school. So some of them will be nickling or let on their runs into, and then carrying JASA. She suggested like any clean at first and like, okay, I guess I can do that. It's similar in a way. But me as like a memory in high school, guarding yourself was like my favorite. And then I use <inaudible> and then yes, she'd suggested to use like that. 6 (22m 46s): And we searched on Google who owns the songwriting, but like, it was way back then in like ancient times when the Philippines was still like, you know, in the Spanish colonization phase, the songwriting was like, based on like this Spanish Mundo Turiya guitar and yeah. It just, it just flowed from there it's public domain. So I used that as a sample. 4 (23m 13s): That's awesome. 6 (23m 15s): Yeah. And I displaced the time because the original current nurses three over three, so I turned it to form four and then just learn. So how to make rapids trap, these how to make like eight awaits, you know, the whole shebang. And then I just laid it on the proper fall over for current Noosa. And that became the hook. I came up with the hook first, I just followed the melody and the guitar and then saying a bunch of, I wrote the words first, but I made sure that I was shouting and like one track. 6 (23m 57s): And then still shouting on the other one, I mentioned, I think there was like 10 layers of meat. That's why sounded like, you know, like a lot of angry guys just saying the same thing. That's why I just, it came from like that metal too, I guess, just like that heaviness, like, it felt really heavy, like supposed to make your head bang, make the floor rumble when it's performed, you know what I'm saying? 4 (24m 30s): That's amazing. And so that, I mean, that song obviously changes your life, correct? 6 (24m 36s): It definitely. 4 (24m 37s): So at this point, at our record labels reaching out to you or people like who, you know, who's this dude like w w you know, what's he got going on. 6 (24m 45s): Yeah. And even caught some flack, you know, but to what it was. And yeah, it's just, it was just the first point in time in my life where, because of course, you, you just have like, dreams of making it like, as an audience. Like, you know, cause I kept steady on the line, no matter how many views I got from any songs that I, you know, they like from 100 to probably luckily two K at times with like the middle. And even like when I started doing pop, cause like, even before the rapping, I would say I had more of a grasp on R and B pop, like, you know, like construction of songs. 6 (25m 32s): Cause like I had a couple of songs, like I'm far away from home that was before even, or not low, those types of things, then we'll move that to Vegas. That's what I would say. I started like taking the rapping seriously, you know, release stuff like IDK then there's I quit. I quit burger king. I quit working in burger three and I also enlisted in the air force for a little bit. And then when I, I, when I got medically discharged, I would say that's when I started working on like the first easy male album, It just felt a little more different than I would say, working on the metal albums, because it felt a lot more personal when you're talking about, when you talking with Jay and singing with just your, your regular voice and not having to like, you know, use 4 (26m 39s): It was awesome. You have a great screaming, whoa didn't expect that to come out to you. That was insane. 6 (26m 51s): Yeah. When you, when you use that type of voice, you tend to like go deep into like, you know, speaking like a Smeagol and like having this more of a Dematic or like a biblical, like, you know, sense of speaking with the lyrics as well, because it's supposed to like, get like that with the metal. You know what I'm saying? 8 (27m 11s): Yeah. 4 (27m 11s): It's crazy. I was like that again. Yeah. And it's so good. Oh, that's awesome. Okay. Now I can say I, you have a career in that as well. Cause I was like, how does I'm listening to your son's? Like, how does he do this death metal thing? I don't understand. You just showed me. That's crazy. I love that. That was awesome. Okay. 6 (27m 47s): Really? Are you getting to that voice? Because 4 (27m 50s): I'm sure 6 (27m 52s): It was like, I started off with like, just like a, as a little run, trying to same vocals from like my idols. Like, and then I started off with inhales, you know? 4 (28m 3s): Yeah. 6 (28m 5s): You know, just, I don't want to try them now. They actually pretty unhealthy. So I, it was really hard trying to get the exhale, like, you know, screams, but then amen. So 4 (28m 19s): Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Okay. So this song is awesome. You ended up getting signed to Virgin records, right? Is that what I saw from this whole thing? And what a dream come true. 6 (28m 31s): It's it's still surreal to this day because I am, I allowed to curse. I, so like the record label that I tried to set up with myself and the metal was called fuck flesh productions. So like FP. Right. And in terms of like, because in the metal you would say it's socially unacceptable music within when, when I started making more of like socially acceptable music and like while also making metal as well, it had to be like this duality within the, within the labels field. 6 (29m 15s): So with FFP, as folks with productions, but like the metal side, I would say on the other side with like the RNB pop and stuff like that, it was called free from protocol. 4 (29m 30s): Oh, interesting. So you just kept the FFP, you just change the, 8 (29m 34s): Okay. 6 (29m 36s): And then that's why right now we've got yes. Easy mail. We FFP records in Alliance with Virgin music. 4 (29m 45s): Wow. Yeah. By Virginia is like so awesome. And speaking of duality, that's the record, right? The new one. 6 (29m 52s): That's the new album. 4 (29m 54s): Yeah. The new album. 6 (29m 56s): That's the new album come and right now, you know, we got, we got two songs out, two songs out for the new album 4 (30m 6s): Is the first one 6 (30m 8s): Is the first one. 4 (30m 10s): Yeah. The second one. I'm not even going to try to pronounce cause I'm just going to totally up. 6 (30m 17s): But yeah. It's like, it's just me saying 22 yeses because in Tagalog or Filipino, when you say yes, you either say respectfully, or you can just like a regular like, oh, like, you know, talking to a friend or so the long put the Nawat means 22 below the one or 22 double. So it's like 22 yeses. 4 (30m 49s): Okay. 6 (30m 50s): So it's actually, I paid homage to my hometown along the post city where I was born and raised here in the Philippines. So Rhea was me shouting out all of our females on earth and gin just putting like this soldier stamp because especially then me going up, I don't witness like, you know, five is not being there for like a lot of us. So like a lot of women raising men, you know, that was like what I was surrounded by. And then I just had to give it up on Rhea, just re-upping of course, on my fans, on like what the new product is like for this new album. 6 (31m 36s): And yeah. Those two songs out right now, Rhea. And then I'll put the long haul 4 (31m 42s): And, and the other one, like, again, I'm not going to and oh, I'm just going to call it. Oh. And that one that you sing, the whole thing in the whole thing is wrapped into college. 6 (31m 52s): Yeah. Mostly. And then I have like small portion of English, whereas the peds are like Rhea is like mostly 4 (31m 60s): Oh yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Super small pieces to garlic. 6 (32m 4s): Huh? Yeah. Those two outright now. And, but shall we talk about the next 4 (32m 11s): Let's do it. 6 (32m 13s): Yeah. So up next 27 bodies got any questions? 4 (32m 21s): No, it's plenty real quick. On, on the, before we get into this one. So 22 yeses, what, what, what, like you said, you're paying homage to your hometown, like where you're from. Like what is the 22 come from 6 (32m 36s): 20 to 22. Oh, oh is actually the code of, 4 (32m 41s): Okay. That makes sense. Okay. And 6 (32m 43s): Yet that's like, you know, I feel like you need, we have like four numbers in the zip code. I think in states we got like five numbers in a city. So yeah. I'm just paying homage to along the city. Zip code 2200. 4 (33m 1s): Okay. I love it now. It all makes sense. Yeah. Now it all makes sense. Okay. And the next one is called like 21 bodies. So you said 6 (33m 9s): 27 4 (33m 10s): Body. 27 bodies. Okay. Tell me what this is. This, it has to be some, yeah. You tell me, I don't know. I'm not going to try to, I guess 6 (33m 20s): So I'm from coming from like the 24 bars challenges that I would say took off for like, you know, the fans and like my first base of supporters when I first started rapping. So I took, I took my verse that I wrote in there and then I took off the beat of the child's beat. Then I also took off the like little petty decided that yeah, it was just this, the beat maker is I was also making beats at the time. So I would say on seven bodies, the beat right now is self-made, you know, but I just took the verse from the challenge. 4 (34m 5s): Got it. Okay. 6 (34m 6s): That is actually going to be second part. Well, the empty segment afterwards. And then I just talk about, like, I talk, I've talked pretty like deep into this, but like a lot of the happenings, because while I was writing this, it was like the COVID season. It adds, it just, I heard a lot of moves being in the, being the United States about like what's happening at home. And it just felt, I felt a lot of grief, especially because there was some extra judicial stuff that happened here in the Philippines while I was away. 6 (34m 51s): And not just, I felt like putting into a song was the perspective that was necessary for me at the time, because if I hadn't done that on all products probably would have imploded because being away from my family, them having to deal with like, you know, the close blast radius of COVID-19, then me being in the Philippines and then China just being right there. You know, also my dad be in Hong Kong at the time. I, I, yeah, I just, I, I saw, I just laid it all out on 1 27 bucks. 6 (35m 31s): So from 24 bars challenge, it's now called 27 months. 4 (35m 36s): And the lyrics are the same. Was that the 27 bar challenge or 24 bar challenge was prior to COVID. Is that what you said? Or was it, was it all stemming from the same thing? 6 (35m 46s): It was 24 bar challenge was doing. 4 (35m 50s): Okay. So the lyrics were still based on, I mean, obviously you kept the same lyrics so that when you wrote it, 6 (35m 56s): But the same lyrics. So I just got on the record because like, you know, I got on the 24 boards in the beat was a lot more turned up. It was supposed to get, you know, rappers and MCs rock up on it. Cause Every 8 0 8, you know, mark did his thing on that and got me rather than as well talk my, talk, my issue on it. And then I would say I kept the same lyrics. And then I just replaced the beat with like, you know, my own flare. It would be after that. I like, I changed the whole tone. It got way more serious. So basically from the challenge, same lyrics, like this is just the challenge, right? 6 (36m 36s): So golf, then the lyrics are still here, different beat and then onwards, it keeps going to like, it almost sounds like a different song, but it's one audio file and it contains a lot more serious topics that I can, I'm just speaking to my people. 4 (36m 53s): I love that. And I think that's what resonates with your fan base too, is that you are, you know, talking directly to them and, you know, they see somebody that, you know, moved to the United States and has all the success, you know, has success now and you're back and you're, you're, you know, really championing, championing, championing. Yeah. There you go. You know what, you know, what your hometown is and, and, and having so much pride for it. I think that's so amazing. 6 (37m 26s): And I still, I still want to do it, you know, so as long as I can, because it's, it's what I would say, what God with God has given me as a tablet. And like, you know, as a blessing, like with my name, be ECQ, like, you know, like me, not necessarily even thinking about that when I was like really in high school or that, but I was like raised around like, like, you know, being in church by as well. So the biblical aspect mean looking into my name, even the history of it, like, you know, the prophet is ETU. 6 (38m 8s): And I guess I wouldn't, I don't want to take that for granted. Why my parents named me seek you. 4 (38m 17s): Yeah. I love that. And you ended up, cause you went to college at a, a Catholic school, didn't you? 6 (38m 25s): It is St. Louis Catholic St. Louis university. No, I went to high school at a Methodist school. It is called along the pool Wesley school. Okay. Even the, the main high school. Yeah, the main school, the very first one, like still like had the church right there. 4 (38m 51s): Okay. 6 (38m 52s): So even like, you know, in between classes, we would go for like, in like prayer sessions in the church, you know, I'm real black, I'm a Bible race, key church. And 4 (39m 10s): Cool. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Obviously the name comes directly from the Bible. That sounds curious. 6 (39m 17s): Yeah. So as you said, even my, my college St. Louis university. Yeah. You're right. It's Catholic 4 (39m 27s): To Catholic school, I think. Right? Yeah. 6 (39m 29s): Yeah. 4 (39m 31s): Amazing. Well, yeah. Well, I appreciate your time today. This has been so awesome. And I love and congratulations on the tour. You said you have another leg left. 6 (39m 42s): I have form 1 0 4 4 (39m 44s): More legs. Wow. 6 (39m 47s): Three or four, actually three or four just finished the first one. Thankfully it was a blast. 4 (39m 57s): That's so cool, man. Well, congratulations. I appreciate your, your time today. I know it's late there. I'm sure. It's like what? 10, 11 o'clock at night. 6 (40m 7s): Wait, let's make sure. 4 (40m 10s): Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll let you go to bed. I have one more quick question for you. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. 6 (40m 19s): Oh man. For any artists out there trying to make it, whether whatever you done HRA is, I know it seems kind of hard, like just being, having to categorize. And so, but just follow your heart with what feels right. In terms of what you're trying to speak up upon on low reality and make sure you also stay 10 toes on like, what is real to you? Like use the music as you like your diary, or sometimes if that's getting a little too much, make sure to also branch out and learn how to write in different perspectives because that all comes into play. 6 (41m 4s): Make sure to give back. And I would say just never give up.