Interview with Greensky Bluegrass

3 (57s): Hello it is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with honors from the band green sky bluegrass over zoom video honors is born and raised just outside of Philadelphia. And he talks about how he got into music. Picked up drums at a very early age, moved on quickly to guitar, played guitar through high school, into college. And while he was in college, he discovered the dough, bro. He shows us his dope, bro. He actually plays some of it, which is incredible. He talks about some bands. He joined right after that, after he got the instrument, played it for six hours a day really became obsessed with it. 3 (1m 40s): He was in a few bands before joining green sky blue grass. He talks about joining that band. The band has eight records out. They just released a new record, their eighth album, but he talked to us about how they don't play the same set or even the same songs within five nights of each other on tour. And if they've played a certain song last time, they were in say like Boise, they wouldn't play it the next time they came back. So juggling all the songs, kind of figuring out how they all sit. Whereas maybe the song wasn't played three or four nights ago, but they played the last time they were in town. So they got to replace that song. It's like becomes like a puzzle of putting their set together, which I thought was super fascinating. 3 (2m 21s): He actually receives a message while we're on the call, finding out that he's on the cover of relics magazine for this month. And this was something as a kid, he would cut out the cover of glued on the wall or tape it up on his wall and just having him see that cover while we're on the call. Like it is really, really, really cool. And we talk about one of the songs in the record, the new record that he wrote actually wrote the lyrics to the first song he has presented to the band that actually has lyrics. And we talk all about that as well. You can watch our interview with honors on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It would be so awesome. If subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik TOK at bringing back pod. 3 (3m 6s): And if you're listening to this on Spotify or apple music, it would be so incredible. If you follow us there as well and hook us up with a five-star view. If you have the time, that'd be great. 4 (3m 17s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 3 (3m 23s): We're bringing it backwards with green sky blue grass, right? Yeah. So this podcast about you, your journey and music, and we'll talk about the new record and how you guys got to where you are now, 5 (3m 34s): Man, whatever, whatever you want to talk about, I'm into it. I like talking about music. I like talking about green sky, everything 3 (3m 40s): Sweet man. Well, first off, talk to me about where were you born and raised? 5 (3m 44s): Oh shit. Sorry. This is my alarm for the, it's my alarm for the, for the interview. 3 (3m 50s): That's me calling 5 (3m 53s): My bad. I was born and raised in Villanova, Pennsylvania, like suburbia, Philadelphia. And you know how like people are like, where are you from? And like you say Philadelphia, but like, look at me. I'm not from Philadelphia. You know? Like, and so people are like, oh Chicago. It's like, no, not Chicago. Like everyone's from suburbia. It's kind of my theory. At least. I dunno. 3 (4m 14s): No, I, I get it. Cause that's, it's so con I guess congested, isn't the real word, but like, there's so many different places you can live within such a short radius. Like you can live in, you know what I mean? Like getting from place to place or from Philly out is not that big of a stretch. Right, right. 5 (4m 32s): Right. Well, people are like, oh, from Philly, you must be gangster. I'm like, look at me. I'm not gangster. Or like, whatever I am, you know, like it's, you know, anyways, so it goes, but yeah, Villanova, Pennsylvania, it's like the so nice, like suburbia kind of having this, you know, that's how I grew up. And it tells me I wasn't my thing. Like I played music there as a kid and you know, it's like, I remember thinking to myself and maybe I'm getting ahead of our interview, but like immersing myself, man. Like when I grew up, like, I wanna, I wanna play music. Like, it's like, I wanna like, I want to be a rock star when I grew up. And I'm not saying I am to be clear, but like, you know, it's like, 3 (5m 12s): Where are you living? I mean, that's pretty amazing. Right. 5 (5m 16s): I definitely travel around the country and play music to thousands of people. And I like, but Yeah. Well, 3 (5m 26s): I guess I've heard that, you know, a stadium, you know, <em></em> And not many people are, well, you're not really getting ahead of yourself. Cause I'm curious. What, what age did you kind of have the epiphany? You're like, you know what? This is, I want to, I'm going to be rockstar. That's my, 5 (5m 48s): And then when I was like, probably about 12, well, my mom would tell you this story before I would be like, so when I was born I was born like, like two and a half months premature. 3 (6m 3s): Oh wow. So is my son. 5 (6m 5s): But like, so like I'm old. So like in 19 77, 2 and a half months premature, it was a big deal. Right. Like I could, I was supposed to die or whatever. Like I don't even know. I don't have a middle name because wow. That's weird. But so like my, how many 3 (6m 21s): Real quick, how many weeks were you? 5 (6m 24s): Well, I mean, 3 (6m 25s): I mean, w what two and a half months would be, I'm just curious. I think my son was born. 5 (6m 29s): Yeah. The two and a half month. 10 year 3 (6m 32s): At 10 at night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. My son was exact same. She was nine, nine weeks for nine and a half weeks premature. Yeah. Isn't that weird? So, 5 (6m 39s): So now imagine that back in 1977, it was freaky for you, right? 3 (6m 46s): Oh, it was the most. 5 (6m 48s): My dad ever, like my parents told me, like I was my, my band and I, we joke about this because like, I, like, we joke about my personality, which is whatever it is. But like, I was in a bubble for like literally the first two months of my life, no human contact. My parents were there, but you couldn't touch me cause I was in a bubble. And so the band jokes about the fact that like, that's why I'm a complete Dick, But like, so this is a big deal back then. Like, and, and it was like, I could have died and whatever, that's not this, we shouldn't talk about that. But like, man, 3 (7m 28s): But I mean, I can directly relate cause this, when I went through this, you know, nearly six years ago. 5 (7m 33s): Yeah man. And so like, and 3 (7m 35s): The technology is 5 (7m 36s): Contemporary 3 (7m 37s): Quite a ways. And since 2000, you know? 5 (7m 40s): Yeah. It's a big, it's a big deal. Like my dad, my dad like watched me turn blue and all these doctors like swarming around me and my dad was like, you know, you can sort of imagine, right. 3 (7m 53s): Oh, I mean, I can, but I, it was, you know, dude, it's seriously. I can't imagine what he was going through because of how you needed the technology level in what I had. I mean, you say in a bubble, I mean, my son was in a bubble for, for 21 days. Like we couldn't even take, you know what I mean? 5 (8m 10s): Your son is going to be, he's going to play Dobro and a bluegrass band. My, my doctor that delivered me. He gave me a drum, which I actually have. I actually have it in my room. Oh, wow. I guess I'll show it to you. Hold on. So this is the, this drum might, this is getting intense, but like, so the doctors say was hoagie, Vick talking about a great name, 3 (8m 41s): Huggy Vic. I 5 (8m 42s): Liked the gradient. So he gave me this drum when I was born. And I was like, I was, I was not playing. Drums were like, so, you know, fast forward, like 12 years or whatever, 10, 12 years I started playing drums and my parents were cool enough that they, I was like, I wanna play drums. Cause they're going to a drum set and put it in my room and like, thank you, mom and dad, like, you know what I mean? Your you're your dad, if you're, it shows they on a drum set, you're like, ah, shit. 3 (9m 12s): Well, I was like, okay, we're going to get an electric one. Right. And that's where, that's where, how we went in. 5 (9m 18s): So I started playing, I'll tell you this, like, you know, we're talking about music. Like I remember I was taking drum lessons and I was like, my friend, my friend Wilson, Tibet came over and I was like, you know what song this is, do, do, do, do do. And he goes, dude, that's every song I was like, fuck man. 3 (9m 40s): Right away, 5 (9m 42s): Can I curse? I was like, I was like, fuck. Now I want to play guitar like that. That was the moment I was like, man. Okay. That was F I was like trying to play that. 3 (9m 53s): Cause you mastered it 5 (9m 57s): 'cause it was like, he was like, I was like, you know, as long as it's like, dude, it's like this, every fucking song on drums. I'm like, Dion shit, I'm out. And so like on banality, so I got a guitar, so playing guitar and you know, and I sorta figured guitar be cooler because it wasn't every song like 3 (10m 16s): Right. Of course. 5 (10m 18s): And like, you know, I started playing guitar and I agreed teacher and, and like, so, you know, like sort of learning guitar, acoustic guitar, I started playing electric guitar and like went to college, played in like, you know, jam bands and stuff. And, and then I started, I moved to Durango, Colorado and met some people. So getting into bluegrass a little bit and oh, are we clear? Are we, or are we doing good here with the, with the thing? 3 (10m 47s): Yeah, actually I don't know if we can rewind have a second here if that's cool. Yeah. I'm just curious. So drums, then you moved on to guitar and did you play at all in like the school band at all? Or any capacity or was it just basically like, you know, with your friends or did you play in a band at all in high school or middle 5 (11m 8s): School? Did they tell you about the story? 3 (11m 10s): So, no, 5 (11m 11s): I was, 3 (11m 12s): I wrote to be, to be totally transparent. This is how I do these things. I researched you guys or anyone on the podcast, but I don't research heavily because, and I've had people comment on this and I guess I'm saying it now to everyone, who's left a comment like this, where it's basically like, if I re if I over-researched you, then I'm telling your story and not giving you the opportunity. So I know what you have going on currently. 5 (11m 40s): Yeah. I re I researched your podcast really heavily. 3 (11m 44s): Did your really good? 5 (11m 48s): So I, I started, when I playing guitar, I was like, went in the jazz band in high school and I was, and I was fucking late. I was late to class one day and I was like, trying to be a cool jazz, like an ESG 35 grade guitar and that, and then Jack, the teacher goes is your late. And he's like weed. And I was like, no, I don't know. And then I got kicked out right then. And I was like, well, okay. Like, 3 (12m 19s): Was it for the weed or being laid? 5 (12m 21s): I'm not sure we'd have that. Yeah. 3 (12m 23s): He's like leave the weed, but you got to get out of here. 5 (12m 28s): And like, I was like, okay. I had to, I had to explain to my parents and my guitar teacher that like, I, like, I got kicked out of jazz band. I had to make something up. But like, you know, I, I was getting high and playing guitar. 3 (12m 43s): Right. 5 (12m 44s): I was a kid in high school doing that, like, you know, and so, and then it was just like, that's what I did. We had a, at a garage band just like everybody else. Like, and you know, it was just, it was just the way it was just the way it was like, I love like, that's, you know, that's like, that's like music as, so like high school kids playing in a, in a basement or something like 3d, like at a bass player who does want to play bass and a drummer. Who's like banging on the drums and a guitar player with an aim to loud, like that's music, you know, like that's a soul. He's like, you know, that's, I mean, that's, that's the white stripes. 3 (13m 25s): Right, right. No. And that's, I love how you said the guitar player has got his amp too loud. Cause I remember growing up, like going to see my friend's bands play and I'm like, who is like, I didn't know it at the time that it was just like them not knowing how to kind of like mix and how everyone could kind of be on a level playing field. It's like one guy's like ridiculously loud. And then everyone's trying to catch up to how loud he is now. The vocals are way down here. You can't hear anything 5 (13m 51s): It's rock and roll, man. That's called led Zeppelin. You know, you know, that's, that's what we did. And like eventually, like, I mean, I, I studied guitar. I tried to get good at it. 3 (14m 2s): Okay. 5 (14m 3s): Like electric guitar. And then I started getting into like acoustic term bluegrass stuff. And like, I don't know how much you know, about bluegrass, like the flat picking, like the, the like real good, the flat picking guitar, like the acoustic guitar stuff. That shit. 3 (14m 15s): Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I watched that and my mind is blown. I can play like power chords and like some 5 (14m 23s): Terrible 3 (14m 23s): Guitar chords, but there's no idea that, 5 (14m 26s): And then, so, so, so like I was trying to do that for a while and like, you know, Mo moving through it and I got into acoustic music. Cause the cool thing about like bluegrass or acoustic music is you can play it with people. Like, you know, you know how like, I mean, it's a weird example of like jazz players. They've got like a, there's a Canon of music, you know, the same tunes. Right. And like they in bluegrass, like a traditional bluegrass, everybody knows the same songs. Like it's like Ralph CLA songs or Earl Scruggs stuff. And like, you can play together because you know the same stuff and it's like three chords and a bunch of bullshit. But like, so like I started getting this stuff and then one year I went to the Telluride bluegrass festival, which we now, I mean, this is gonna sound a little cocky, but now we headline that every Friday night, Like I went there as a kid and I was like, I heard this dope bro workshop. 5 (15m 23s): And like, so Deborah, this is like, Deborah is this thing. This is what Debra is, is like this hubcap, like sliding. It was like that. And so it was like, you know, the deals like, can I play it? Is that cool? So it's like, it's like a, 3 (15m 50s): I love it. 5 (15m 50s): And I remember thinking, I was like, man, I'm over here. I went to this workshop and like, oh, walked by. And I was like, man, that's the electric guitar, the electric guitar of acoustic instruments. 3 (15m 60s): Yeah. That's a great way to, Oh 5 (16m 3s): Wow. That was it for me. Like, and I, I went back home to Durango, Colorado, and like I bought a dope wrote and like played it for six hours every day, right away. Like that was the deal sold, you know? Like, 3 (16m 17s): I'm curious. So you're in college. So how did you get from outskirts of Philly? And did you say you're in Colorado at this point when you, so did you, when you just to catch up real, real fast here. So when you finished high school, did you go to college to study music? Or you said, 5 (16m 35s): Go ahead. I went to school in Colorado to Colorado college, like hippie science or whatever, and like, okay. I studied music there a little bit. Like I, I was trying to minor in music, but 7 (16m 48s): They hit a big scratcher from the Virginia lottery could be a big hit for you. The game gives you the chance to win up to $1 million, Virginia lottery, scratchers every day wins visit a lottery retailer near you for rods and more information visit VA lottery.com. 5 (17m 3s): There was Colorado college is a really cool school, but there's a thing called the block program, which is the name again, 2d. But so it was like the deals that you have, like for three and a half weeks, you studied one subject. 3 (17m 18s): Wow. 5 (17m 19s): Instead of, instead of, so you have a semester's worth of work in three and a half weeks, but only one subject. 3 (17m 25s): So it's like, it's like summer school. 5 (17m 29s): Yeah. It was only one thing. So like, 3 (17m 32s): That's awesome. 5 (17m 33s): If you're studying geology, they'd be like, cool. Let's go to the Bronx. And you're like getting a van we're going, 3 (17m 38s): You're like actually going to learn something. 5 (17m 44s): So some things like music theory or like ear training, like, so think about a semester's worth of ear training. You can't like they jam that into three and a half weeks. Tomorrow, tomorrow you have to be good at, you have to be able to say read. It's like, it wasn't, it wasn't my main objective. But like I learned a lot about music there and like, you know, it was, I learned a lot about like, I studied music there. I learned a lot about, I also went to Berkeley for a very small like weekend, like a summer thing. But that was more just like, 3 (18m 24s): Was that between college and high school or 5 (18m 26s): That was in high school? Yeah. 3 (18m 28s): Yeah. Did you do that like summer program? Every editor? Just talk about it. Yeah. 5 (18m 32s): It was people talk, people tell you about that. 3 (18m 34s): I don't know too in depth about it, but I've heard I've, I've interviewed a lot of people and I've heard that, that they've other people had done that. And then that's kind of how they got into Berkeley. There was like a stepping stone. 5 (18m 46s): I didn't, I didn't, but it was really cool. Like, it was like, okay, you meet other musicians. And you're like, okay. Music is like, you feel in your soul or whatever. Like, you know, you get it. And you're like study and like, I've never been like a, like, like a lot of people think like, like there's like the mathematicians of music kind of, you know, like, right, 3 (19m 6s): Right, right. Yeah. 5 (19m 7s): And I respect that, but for me, music is like, it's the soul? Like, it's the it's it's like, like the dope bro. Like the instrument it's like, it's like speaking through an instrument and then like, that's for me, that's like, it's a real, it's a real thing. And it's like hard to describe. I don't know. 3 (19m 28s): No, it makes total sense though. Cause there's those technical players that maybe have never wrote a song or don't understand like that side of it where it's like, but they could look at a sheet of sheet music and just like read the whole thing without even really thinking about it. 5 (19m 43s): And we're the best friends. We're both jealous of each other. Like what also? Sorry, just quick side note. Like we were at this, we have this festival in Mexico. It's called strings and soul. It's our it's our festival is sort of like an all-inclusive resorts, us yonder, railroad, all our silver salmon, our friends bands and what someone was going to say. And we just jam, we all jammed with each other. Right. And late one night someone comes up and they're like, how do you guys just jam with each other? Like, do you like, do, do you like write it out? 5 (20m 23s): I'm like, listen, here's the deal out of these out of like 32 musicians that are at this festival, maybe two people could read music at them all and all those people. That's not a bad thing because we can not like some of the best musicians in the, you know, honestly, but like it's not about, it's not about reading. It's about feel, you know? And it's hard to put into words that it kind of silly when I say 3 (20m 49s): No, but that's, I haven't always been blown away by that where a group of guys can get a guy's girl, whatever can get on stage and know like play off each other and you have to it's like another again, it's like the technical thing there, songwriting. And then there's that level of like, understanding so much about it that you can actually jump on and start playing something. Cause you obviously don't know what the other person's is playing. Exactly. But you can vibe off what they're doing and it makes sense. And sounds good. Yeah. 5 (21m 18s): Is it? Yes. I mean, like, it sounds cheesy, but it's just jamming. Like, so 3 (21m 24s): Even 5 (21m 24s): Cheesier when I said it It's just jamming is like, you know, the idea for me is like, like music, like a lot of my favorite musicians, like is like the people that have no impediment between their brain in their hands and their instruments. It's like, like, think about like, you know, Derek trucks, you're familiar with Derek trucks, the name 3 (21m 47s): Sounds familiar, 5 (21m 48s): The best players. And like, literally just like, it's not about like, he's not trying. It's just like, it's just like his brain goes to here. And that goes to the exotic goes, whoa, like, it's just, it's not like there's no effort and I've, I've always wanted to be one of those people. I'm like, I, you know, for me, yeah. Just like, I think a big part of it is just being yourself, you know, like having your own voice. And I mean, you know what I'm saying? And maybe I'm saying too much for like, like being, having your own voice. Like everybody can sound like everybody else. 5 (22m 28s): But the is kind of like a bluegrass thing where like, like there's a lot of like Dover players and they all sound like the guy who was the first one, but like sounding like yourself and like just like putting your heart and your soul into an instrument. And like, just like putting your own voice into an instrument is really fucking cool. Like it's important. It's not like 3 (22m 53s): It's a, how hard is that? I mean, to, to find your voice. Right? Cause I mean, I, I'm not a musician. I come from the world of radio. I did that for a very long time, but it was like, when I was getting into radio, they'd always be like, hell, 5 (23m 8s): Hell or the defining voice 3 (23m 11s): Decline. It's almost like finding your personality. Cause it's like, it's like, yeah, you can go on and, and mimic other people that you've listened to on the radio kind of get like a generic sense of what you're doing. But then it takes a long time to figure out who you like, what you sound like and how that's different than everyone else. And I'm sure it's very similar with music. 5 (23m 32s): No, but you really, really mean this when you've set, when you like you've settled into it, right. Like occasionally you settle it. And you're like, ah, this feels great. You're like, man, I'm, I'm like myself, I'm talking to people and like, you know what I'm saying? You're yourself. 3 (23m 46s): I can remember when that happened. Being like, whoa, like, 5 (23m 49s): Man, 3 (23m 50s): It was like, it was, I don't know how it happened, but it was like, life-changing when it did. 5 (23m 55s): Wow man. Right? Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. And like, it could be anything like, it probably happens to people in getting programming, like who knows, you know, when you find your, when you like find your, when you find your groove or whatever, whatever it is, you're like, I'm me. It was the most like just being someone else, like, you know, that's, that's really important shit. So I appreciate what you're saying and you know, like, yeah. 3 (24m 17s): Yeah. I mean, as a, when you started playing Dover, was it something that you would hear other people playing and you're like trying to, like, when you say you found your, your voice, was it, you were trying to mimic other people or kind of following what other people were doing. And then you're like, this is what I should sound like. This is me. 5 (24m 33s): Well, there, there's not a lot of Dover players, which is like good for me, but That wasn't a joke, you know, the area or the band fish. So Mike Gordon, the bass player, I was talking to him one time when he was, he was like four, his drummer introduced, not the fish over who was John Kmart. He was like, Mike, you do honors. And we, I played with Mike previously and John's like, Mike, you know, honors, he's one of the best players in the world. Like I just laughed. I said to Mike, I said, Hey Mike, you know how you become one of the best Dover players in the world. You just buy one. 5 (25m 14s): So like, there's not a lot of us out there, you know? And like for me, it, it, like I took, I took a lot of my influences from like previous music and tried to put it into this acoustic instrument, like to be myself. Like, so it's hard to explain, but like, like, like bluegrass is a weird thing. It's like really this weird, like tight and sexual stupid lame thing. And like, I don't like it, but like 3 (25m 47s): What I do for a living 5 (25m 47s): <em></em> But like, yeah. I mean, you know the thing about greens guys, we like green. So the word green sky is the opposite of blue. 3 (26m 4s): Oh good point. 5 (26m 6s): Sort of band is completely like, we, we played bluegrass instruments, but we also like are like a psych dog Odyssey of musically. It, we like it's bluegrass, but it's like the complete into the bluegrass at the same time. Right. And I don't, you know, much, but like that's the deal, man? 3 (26m 27s): No, I mean, what you're saying makes complete sense. And especially now that you explained it as like the name and bluegrass, like oh, okay. That does make sense. Cause it has kind of more of a, that yeah. Like a jam psychedelic sound to it, but you're using the, like you have all the elements and instrumentation or not instrumentation, but the sounds that would come from a bluegrass band, 5 (26m 50s): But also of psychedelic rock band at the same time and say is crazy. Like we 3 (26m 54s): Just country tone in there to 5 (26m 57s): Which country? 3 (26m 59s): Rebel country. 5 (27m 3s): Yeah. Nevermind, go on Scene. 3 (27m 15s): Well, going back to, you know, seeing you like taking me back again to when you said you saw the dope bro, and you're like, okay, this is an electric guitar, but it's a sounds acoustic after having that moment you went, you said you went home and then you bought one is like, w I kind of stopped and rewind it at that point. 5 (27m 32s): Well, so I went back to Durango, Colorado where I was living and bought a row. I started playing six hours a day. Wow. It was like, I was like, this is it. I love this fucking thing. Like, and then just started playing and like, you know, the thing about, you know, it's, it's really, you know, it's maybe a little foreign to this particular podcast, but like the thing about like everybody plays guitar, like so futile and jam. And like in bluegrass, people have jams, they sit around and jam like, but like everyone can play guitar. And the second I started playing Dobro, I never was allowed to play guitar anymore Just because it was like, oh, you got something different. 5 (28m 15s): And that was the deal, you know? Like, but like that was, it was just my instrument from there on like, it really, you know, and like, it was, it's just been my thing, like it's lyrical, it's like, it's interesting. It's like, oh, do you sing? And I'm like, Nope, not very well, but I don't because of the dual rose sings like this, like this is just to get a slide guitar, you know, it's like, there's things that are me. So it's been a thing. 3 (28m 46s): And with that, like when she got at home, like when she, you know, practicing six hours a day joining these jam sessions, when do you, like how many years later are you in a bluegrass or Y green Skype. 5 (29m 1s): You're great. You're great. You found your voice really think you've found your voice. 3 (29m 6s): I lost it there for half a second. 5 (29m 9s): You know, I was in a whole bunch of different bands with a bunch of cool people and eventually a green sky. Like I just, it just, you know, I was looking for something and they were looking for something and it just kinda clicked. And like, I love, I'm a, I'm a song guy. Like I came from a background of like, like sock, like lyrics and like well-written songs are the most important thing to me. And that's always been the thing for me. And so like, when I found, when I found green Scouts, I was kind of looking for a gig, honestly. I'm like, we, we hung out before and partied at some festivals or whatever. And like, 3 (29m 47s): So your wait real quick, you were in a band prior that was doing obviously, 5 (29m 52s): Yeah. We had a couple bands and like, but like I was looking for, I was looking for some like kind of full time type of thing. And like one of the band I was in wasn't really it. And we, we recognized that and like, I honestly made a list of bands. I'm like, man, who who's the band that like, I could, I believe in, they think will be like a, my bros B will, will like push and persevere and like try really hard actually back that up. That's BNZ but a is like the songs, mainly lyrics and good songs. And when I like the thing about Greenstein, particularly DePaul, he's one of the best fucking songwriters. 5 (30m 36s): He's one of my favorite songwriters in the world. And like, it's so cool that he's my little furry friend. Like he's a little, he's like a bearded little hippy guy. That's like my bro, but I really mean it. Like, he's one of my favorite songwriters in the world, you know? Like it's like songs or songs or the deal. Like you can be the best musicians or, or like whatever in the world. But if you don't have, if you don't have like the integrity of the songs, like the real, like lyrical and melodic integrity, I'll do a fuck. That's my deal. You know, like that's why I joined it. That's why Greenstein and I worked out together. Like that was probably 15. I don't know how many years ago, but like, man, you know, Paul's gummies are, Dave's an amazing songwriter. 5 (31m 19s): Now Deval on the new album is a great songwriter. It's like, it's like lyrics and lyrics and melody and man, it's like, you know, we can have all the fucking bullshit in the world. Like we can have the best publicity company or whatever, whatever it is. And like all the hype in the world. But at the end of the day, man, a good song will stand the test of time, in my opinion. 3 (31m 41s): That makes total sense. And now how ma how far along, where was the band before you joined? Like did they have a record out or a couple of records out? Like what to do? And I'm joining. 5 (31m 52s): There are probably two records out, but like, you know, now I'd probably eat records out, but like no one gives a shit. It's like, it's like, you know, I mean I ran a record label or anything was just like, we just made our music and like a live, they, they had a catalog, which I learned, but like, you know, three very clear, like when I joined the band, not to say I'm a, it's my thing. But like when, when, when we, the fibers got together, like things coalesced and like kind of built into this different kind of bigger thing, hard to describe, but you know, you know, we, we it's like it's, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to describe like, you know, 7 (32m 45s): They had a big scratcher from the Virginia lottery could be a big hit for you. The game gives you the chance to win up to $1 million, Virginia lottery, scratchers, everyday wins, visit a lottery retailer near you for rods and more information. 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Sometimes you save yourself, but like that's Jim and you know, like it's improvisation to me. 5 (34m 14s): I mean, I know what your musical background is, but like for me, like jam bands, like improvisational music, that's at my heart. 3 (34m 23s): I mean, with, I would imagine with having the amount of songs in the catalog, you have eight records, right? This is the newest one is very eighth record. How would you, like, how would you even sift through that to figure out a set? Like, do you have like a basic set list? Like, or here's five songs we're gonna play and then we'll kind of improvise through some of it, like, like how does that happen? 5 (34m 47s): Well, I'll tell you, man. It's like, I mean, it's, it's crazy. Like, so this last week, just last we did probably let's see, well I know actually we 19 shows or something. Yeah. 3 (34m 60s): You just got back. Right. 5 (35m 3s): And so we didn't do, we decided we were like, just fucking around. We're like, let's not do any covers, only play original music. And because we're a jam band or our fans like falls around, which is like, so we play. So we'll play like every four nights. We'll never, we will not repeat a song. 3 (35m 22s): Wow. 5 (35m 23s): Yeah. Like we come from that jam man school, like the, you know, the fish and green fled shit. 3 (35m 27s): That's amazing until 5 (35m 28s): Like, we've already sell us where it's like, okay, every now, and he's a writer, you know, two sets of music that like arc and like, you know, do what they do. And then, so we'll be taking to account like a, what we played the night before B what we played in that town last time we were there not allowed to play that that's off the table. And so the night before is off the table. And like, so like, it's, it's, it's a really interesting process. It's fun as hell. It's also a pain in the ass, but like, you know, literally like, so we'll play a full play. I think we do it. We can do five nights in a row without repeating a song. And we choose to, which is fucked up because there's like, I mean, I'm not saying there's like hits or anything, but like, you know, like people like bill play windshield or whatever, you know? 5 (36m 16s): And like 3 (36m 18s): We played that three nights ago. 5 (36m 20s): Well, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's like, but like are the fans that are like that, like somebody else. And they're like, ah, whatever new, but you know, like, It's, it's a real, it's like for us, it's like exercising, like playing all of our songs and like creating, you know, trying to create bigger soundscapes, everything. Like, you know, I sometimes I'll go see a band and I like envy them. Like, but you get to play 60 minutes as the same sentence last night, you must be really good at that set. You know, and we really too, we played 2 75 minute sets and we only get to play those songs once a week because the next night it's a different side, you know? 5 (37m 9s): Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. 3 (37m 11s): Yeah. 5 (37m 12s): It's fucking intense, man. 3 (37m 13s): That is, I mean, you guys are literally like creating, I want to say like going back to like kind of tying to radio, I guess. Cause it's only thing I know is like you're programming your set list. Like you would like a playlist where you don't want to repeat something, you know, you're like, well, I can't repeat that. Cause I had to line this up and it played on, you know, played on Thursday last week or whatever it is or it's like the fact that you would go back and be like, we played Atlanta last year and we did this. Yeah. Like how, you know, we can't have my yeah. Then you're like, okay, it's day four. And we haven't played this many, these songs, but one of them . 5 (37m 59s): Yeah. You know, we're, we're the, the tabernacle in Atlanta last weekend. We did two nights there and also COVID fucked everything up. So, you know, you know the deal on that. 3 (38m 10s): Yeah. You could have started, you started from scratch 5 (38m 14s): The last time. Last time we were at the tabernacle, which was like two years, you know, usually we're there every year or like whatever, it's been like two and a half years. And we realized last time where there was our deems birthday, he's got a really good mustache. It's kind of part of his gig. And like, so we all see of mustaches versus 40th birthday. And we sort of forgot about that until we were on stage. Like we walked into like, oh man, remember that time? Like we started playing the same songs as we played that time. Just for fun. Like there's no rules. I was just like the jam, the jam band, ethos. I mean, like it's, it's a real trip. I mean, you know, I grew up on that shit. It was just like, you know, you go to the grateful dead or fish and you're like, man, you look at a set list of the night before we were like, well, we're not gonna hear those. 5 (39m 0s): Like, we start to know what you might hear and you get excited about it. And like, somehow we became that thing, like, like the jam band world embraced the Queens guy. Like, and, and I appreciate like people fucking follows around. It's crazy. Cause I used to do that shit with other bands I used to fucking took coach Jesus. Like I used to be like selling t-shirts on the lot and fish with me. It's fucking insane, man. It's so cool. Yeah. 3 (39m 29s): I was about to say that at least you're not a band where they can, your fans can do that. Cause I'll do that. Now. I see myself doing that like, oh, I'm going to go see so-and-so what did they play last night? What, what, what, like, where can I go? Where will it good bathroom break be where I've already heard the song 50 times. And I've seen this band are like, oh, are they going to do, oh, they didn't 5 (39m 48s): That song. They were like, so like, you know, when you see, when you like, will you go see a band? You're like, I mean, if you know that, I mean, I'm not sure Virginia, but like, if you like 3 (39m 59s): Everything, 5 (40m 0s): You see bands like this, it's like, you know what the sales is going to be. Cause it's what they do. That's what they're doing on that tour. Like how does that make you feel? You're like, man, I'm psyched about it. Or like, I mean really? 3 (40m 9s): Yeah. It's kind of both ways. I mean, it's, what's, what's sad is like I'm psyched when I'm looking at it for the first time on the sheet I'm like on set lists.fm or whatever it is. And then at the show I'm like, oh, okay, well I know that this is just playing. So I know this song is next and it's like, it almost ruins it for it. It totally actually a totally. 5 (40m 28s): What's your favorite band? 3 (40m 31s): My favorite band. That's a great question. I don't know. I like a lot of different bands, like green day growing up, 5 (40m 38s): Working out right now for a band 3 (40m 40s): At the moment. Halsy I know that's random, but I think 5 (40m 44s): She's 3 (40m 45s): A great songwriter. Yeah. But I like everything. I mean, I like the, I grew up with the emo pop punk stuff, but I like the singer songwriter stuff. And I also like, you know, pop music alternative 5 (40m 58s): Are you, are you, you have to, or you have to The Bahamas. It's not a guy. His name is mamas. 3 (41m 4s): Yeah. Yeah. The 5 (41m 5s): Band name, but yeah. Yeah. Like man Paul and all the two guys in my band, they're like, you gotta check this shit out. I love that guy. Like, you know, like just like, like, like what's the, what's the right way to put it. Like the delivery of like, like on, sorry, I'm trying to put into words. No, like uninhibited like belief and just like, this is me like with songs, like I love that shit. Right? 3 (41m 39s): Yeah. 5 (41m 42s): You know, like I love that dude. We did, we did have, we did a session with him during, during quarantine. He do these things called. It was like a lot like sorta laugh here. We call it sort of live. And so if he, the guy whose Bahamas, he was, he was over in the room and we were all in a room and like we played together. We were jamming. Oh, wow. Yeah. And like the funny thing is that like, he's like the hero of Paul and like our, our, a songwriter and Dave, our bass player that they were so excited about it. I was like, whatever was the jam. They're like, no, don't fuck it up. You're like, like w like we're playing, we're playing his songs. 5 (42m 26s): And I like, like the song, the line goes like this, like, don't mess up this smelly. I'm like, whatever, man, like, I'm gonna do what I do. But like, it was so fun. Like during COVID like, you didn't get a jam with anybody anymore. Even through a computer, like green sky plus Bahamas. We're jamming it. I mean, we're jamming, but like, it felt good, like crazy times, man. 3 (42m 51s): Were you guys able to play together in a room or no. And all of you are virtual and no, 5 (43m 1s): Green's goes all in a room and then was in the room in Canada because that's where he's from. He like sandwiches and then like, so we're all like square, like virtually as, as We call it. Here's your other headphones. Okay. After the song day was that cool? We don't like know, like, it really fun. 3 (43m 21s): Was it hard to like vibe off what he was doing? If you aren't sure the energy is obviously different and if you 5 (43m 27s): Excited and like, it was, it was like, what the fuck? I don't even know all good man. So that's, that's a see teen. So it was really weird, but it was also cool because we were playing his songs with him. And so we're in the ears we're playing together. And then afterwards we'd be like, take your headphones off and be like, was that cool? Was a cool. And like, we didn't, we couldn't tell. 3 (43m 59s): Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. But 5 (44m 1s): It was awesome. Like, I know I respect the hell out of that guy. You know? Like he he's like his song waves. Like his he's has a bad ass man. Ella Ella's love his style. Also. I love his social media presence was like, I have no idea how to stop this really, you know, he's like a good key gentlemen things, oh, Hey, how you doing? And like, what are we talking about? 3 (44m 36s): I don't know. I just said, I you're asking me how my favorite artists was at the time. Well, I, yeah, I was just saying, besides, 5 (44m 43s): Besides green sky, 3 (44m 45s): Besides Greta, I said Halsy because I liked the fact that she is so massive. I mean, she's one of the biggest artists on the planet right now. And she still writes songs. Like she does not care. What anyone else thinks. Like, have you heard the new record? She did with a Trent Reznor nails. 5 (45m 2s): I'll check it out. 3 (45m 3s): It's really good. It was like an alternative, like industrial rock album. I mean, it's nine inch nails. It's Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. And then her it's free. It's incredible 5 (45m 15s): Now, but you're like, you told me you're there. Your Lyrica is a stand up. Like the worst thing. 3 (45m 21s): That's why I like it so much. Like you and yours just here, honest she is. And it's just 5 (45m 25s): Like, 3 (45m 27s): All right, cool. Because you'll hear how honest she is. And this is like, whoa, like, and this is coming from somebody that has a fan base that probably ranges from Blake, young little kid to Emmy choosing that sing to movie, to like, you know, then some of the stuff she says, you're like, whoa, okay. Way to be honest. 5 (45m 48s): That's the deal, man. Like, I mean, I mean like words, words are fucking important. Like that's the deal. Like I don't even, I mean, I write one song on the new album, but like for me words are the deal. Like, I don't care if you're the best musician or the weirdest or whatever you, 3 (46m 6s): How many songs have you written for the band? Like a lot or not 5 (46m 10s): On the record on albums, mostly our instrumental music. 3 (46m 14s): But as far as lyrics go, 5 (46m 17s): The question is this is the first one. 3 (46m 21s): Oh, it is. Yes. 5 (46m 23s): Yeah. And so man, you know, I, I spend a lot of time around really great songwriters. And so like, it's been intimidating to me forever. And so I had this, I had this idea, it was like chorus in my head, the song, the song I wrote was called monument is the second song on the record. And I had always had this idea, man, you can build a castle, but it crumbles, do cave. Funny how a monument looks just like a grave. And I had this idea and like, I just kept cycling it. And then like, it was like this thing in my head and then fucking COVID hit it. 5 (47m 4s): And like all of a sudden there's this lyrics I had in my own head became this, like other, this bigger thing. And so I called my buddy, Chris Gelbuda who like, he's a national guy. He's where he writes like songs from pop stars and stuff. It's also hippie. Well, he, I like, you know, my friend. And so we started like, I was like, I had a bunch of ideas for a song. We like, we were like, well, it's finished it in like, let's make the songs, what it is. Like, you know, the ma like the idea of the song is like, imagine, well, not imagined it is like our lives as musicians. We had this thing. It was so fucking cool. 5 (47m 46s): Right? Yeah. Like our lives are amazing. We're fucking rock, rock and roll stars sort of, but like what the fuck anyway. So I really have no idea. So like, and then all of a sudden it's ripped away from us. Right. And like also machine at home. And like, we don't like, we built this huge thing and there's God, then we're like, I have nothing to do with our lives. And so Chris and I, we, we built this all together and it's like, don't know what you hold. And when it's right there in your hand, no matter where you're going, where you've been in my end up where you began, the idea is like, it's like the girls going from the seeds that we planted things you have to say can take a single word for granted. 5 (48m 36s): And is that like, is it like the ideas, like here's this great thing gone? And then we could, it was like, we think about making a really sad song. And then we decided to, to us to write like, what if, what if the song was like, sorry, well, so one of the song was like, like, let's write the song as like, this is like back in the real COVID days, like pre vaccine pre everything, right? Like we're sitting on opposite sides of the deck. So we don't touch 3 (49m 14s): The same metal. 5 (49m 16s): I'm like, yeah, exactly, man, like, don't fucking wipe your groceries down. Remember that? And so we were like, man, here's the idea. Let's read the song as if when, when this all ends, which was, we didn't know. We know that that's right. The song is when like melodically and like, like let's make it as if like when this, when this should all end. If this is the first song we gonna play and like the feeling of with like 50,000 people and they was like, what's the first song you want to play? You know? Like what would it sound like? So we wrote the mute. We wrote the music like that, where it's like this really triumphant kind of thing. 1 (50m 5s): Now you can get McDonald's crispy chicken sandwich, McDonald's spicy crispy chicken sandwich and or a fish, any Tober, just six bucks. Sounds really good. 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We're just like, you know, we don't know, like maybe we're gonna all die. 3 (51m 27s): Nobody knew it was happening. 5 (51m 29s): Right. And like, we're like, well, it's like, let's make it as if it's is where the mail of like, you can build a castle. And like, we wrote it that way and like, and fuck pants. So like, I think it was a, we play three nights at red rocks and I think it was second night. I was like, guys, I want to open. I want to open with a song because I didn't want to do the first name because I was too afraid. I think that would be emotionally overwhelmed. Right. And I was like, I was like, I want to open with a song. And it was like, I remember sitting there and being like, like start a song and be like, fuck, like, this is what we're talking about. 5 (52m 10s): You know, there's like 10,000 people bed rocks in the world. And it's like, 3 (52m 15s): Ironic, go there so bad. I've never been I've you 5 (52m 17s): Get your ass there. And 3 (52m 19s): I dunno there's I want there's. Yeah. There's the, I need to get there. There's certain bands. I would like your band would be awesome to see there. Like, I wouldn't want to see like a rock show there, if that makes sense. Like a rock rock show. 5 (52m 32s): Yeah. Well here's the deal. Call me. I got you. So what I'm saying is like, we're like mailers let's make this, let's write the song as if it was like, it was the first song you could play after party. And it was fun. Do you like playing a song? Like, like actually doing it emotional hell. You know what I mean? Cause they tend those people getting the fuck down. Like it was like this that's what we're talking about. Yeah. It's serious businessman. It's like, I don't know. It sounds easy to put it into words, but You know what I'm saying? It's like, no, 3 (53m 9s): Not at all, man. 5 (53m 10s): It's heavy stuff. You know? 3 (53m 13s): Was it, was it hard to present song, a song to your band mates that you had written the lyrics to? Like, I mean, you said you had done that before. Like, Hey, you know, I wrote these, these words, like I have this like, was that a difficult to do? 5 (53m 26s): Oh, you're breaking up. I'm just kidding. Oh yeah, man. You know, like I really was between you and I and the whole world. It was, you know, like, so the thing about when I write a song that Paul has to sing, like, come on, Paul is saying he's, he's the, he's the voice of our band. And the issue is that when, when I'm presented with a song and he sings it, everyone thinks that he wrote it. You know? So for him that's a heavy thing. It's like, it's like, he has like, he has to be like, well, I don't know it's we fought about it a lot, honestly. 5 (54m 9s): Cause it's like, it, it becomes his becomes his voice, whether he wrote it or not. And like eventually people will understand, like, you know, the super fans will know that I wrote it, but most people will think that Paul wrote it. And so Paul's like, well, I don't know what's changed this and this and this. And I'm like, no, bro, that's the way the song goes. And like we've we fought about it. It was fun. And like Smith seriously. It's like, we're, it's like we're brothers. And we're like, you know, I'm like, dude, no, that's the way it goes. And he goes, well, I don't like that word. I'm like, well, I don't care. That's the way the song goes. And like we would fight about it for a long time. And we also enjoyed fighting about it. 5 (54m 51s): You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, do you have brothers? 3 (54m 54s): I, his sister she's you're much younger than I am. Okay. Well we didn't really have the 5 (54m 57s): Fighting. She would say she was 3 (55m 0s): Shooting at me, but I, 5 (55m 3s): Yeah, but it's like, so, you know, I'd be like, probably like, well I want to change this. And I'm like, well, I don't care. Like my cool. And we were like, literally buttheads pretty hard. And so well what's your favorite interview? They've done. Like what's your favorite interview you've ever done? I'm sorry, 3 (55m 20s): This one. 5 (55m 22s): And then Yeah, me too, bro. 3 (55m 31s): See what you did there? Honestly, I don't know, man. I've I've I've we've published just if this podcast alone over 1000 interviews. 5 (55m 41s): Yeah, I looked at, I looked at it here. Like you've done a lot of shit at school. 3 (55m 44s): Thank you. I don't know. I don't know what my favorite one would be. Everyone's got their own cool story. 5 (55m 51s): Yeah. I mean, I think like it's, it's so interesting to just talk to me about me, like herself, like what's up, like, and it sounds, I'm gonna rephrase that. Sorry. I don't mean to belittle you. Do you know what I'm saying? It's like, Hey, like, Hey man, like what, what do you love about music? Or like what? Like, what's your like, you know, so cool. Like I have a bunch of friends that do like XM, like serious stuff. And they're like, they sort of like stumbled into it. And I was like, yep, cool. Like just talk on the radio saying good job. Like, 3 (56m 22s): Yeah, I got it. I got into it because I couldn't play an instrument. I love using, I mean, I could, I could play an instrument, but I wasn't any good or I knew it wasn't a path that I'd ever be able to be good at. So this route I got to be in the industry and hang out with people and go to the shows and kind of do my own service within the industry. And that's, I've, I've just loved it. 5 (56m 46s): I appreciate them and all the shit I'll say on my phone, I'm on the cover. I'm on the cover of a magazine. 3 (56m 53s): Yeah. Maybe that's why you're blown up. 5 (56m 54s): Well, I mean, it was Absolutely relics magazine is, I mean, new relics. It's like now fucking rolling stone to be clear, but like it's cool. Relics is like, when I was a kid, like went back to 16 year old me when I was a kid, like, man, I was, I was like, cut out the covers of this magazine. And I could have pictures though, would hang the covers as magazine on my fucking wall as a kid. And it was like GRC and Trey or whatever, whoever the fuck is on there. Like whatever don't point being, man, I would have this cover, this magazine, the covers magazine on my wall. 5 (57m 37s): And now I just saw that were on the cover. 3 (57m 41s): Wow. That's huge. You'd literally just saw this right now. 5 (57m 46s): Well, I knew, I knew it was coming, but like man, like, like, 3 (57m 49s): Oh wow. 5 (57m 50s): Like I knew I knew it was going to happen, but like I know it sounds dorky, but like, dude, like for me, like, like obviously we're not going to be the hugest band in the world who GreenSky, I believe your ass. We're not going to be in whatever we are. We are well, so more tickets in your band that's for sure. Whoever you are. But now that being said, be like, man, like literally as a kid, like I would like put that, that magazine, those covers up my wall as a guitar band kid. Now my I'm not trying to be emotional or anything, but like motherfucker, I'm on a cover now. 3 (58m 28s): That is so cool. That is so cool. 5 (58m 32s): There's something to be said like, you know, like <em></em> shit, you know, like, you know, like in a minimum amount do proud of me. I don't know. 3 (58m 43s): Yeah. She, well, that's so cool. That is so special. Now you get to have another cover on your wall, but you 5 (58m 50s): Print magazines anymore. 3 (58m 53s): I bet you they'll send you 5 (58m 55s): A magazine 3 (58m 57s): Dude. I had a rolling stone magazine subscription up until about two years ago. 5 (59m 2s): That's great. I guess, great tape. You want to check it out, 3 (59m 7s): But having a printed bag. I mean there's dude. It's like how people still buy final. Like people watch like it's something has to be said about having something built in your hand. I was 5 (59m 15s): Just making fun of myself, but like seriously, 3 (59m 16s): Man. That's so cool. 5 (59m 20s): There's fucking goal on me. Like I'm not an emotional guy. Well, yes I am. He didn't imagine me as like a, as like a 14, 15, 16 year old kid be like, man, I'm going to cut off this cover and put it on my bedroom wall because prince or Garcia or whoever's on there, like man, to be cool and motherfucker, 3 (59m 46s): That's huge. 5 (59m 49s): It's not huge. It's cool. 3 (59m 51s): No, it's huge. 5 (59m 53s): It's important to me. 3 (59m 55s): It's important to you and that's so important and there's probably, there's gotta be kids out there that are exactly like you that are, you know, going to be that like, I can't wait till like I've maybe I'm going to be on the cover of this magazine one day. Like it it's it's so cool. 5 (1h 0m 12s): Basically like a international rock star. I'm pretty sure, totally international rockstar. 3 (1h 0m 18s): You are 5 (1h 0m 20s): Heard. I'm going to cover of rally 3 (1h 0m 27s): That when you go to the supermarket, just know, do you know who you don't recognize 5 (1h 0m 31s): Me? I didn't pay for groceries. 3 (1h 0m 34s): Somebody goes and gets them. 5 (1h 0m 37s): I'm going to cover and relics. 3 (1h 0m 39s): I forgot. 5 (1h 0m 42s): Yeah. I don't know if you know who I am. I'm going to cover relics. 3 (1h 0m 46s): That's so awesome. That's huge. And I'm so glad that you were able to like literally witness that while you're talking with me. I mean, we have it recorded with a moment recorded. 5 (1h 0m 55s): Wait, you're recording. 3 (1h 0m 56s): Yeah. And you didn't hear that guy yell at you in the beginning of 5 (1h 1m 1s): Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean I like, yeah. I, I appreciate that moment. Like I think like I enjoyed talking to you about this stuff with you and like thank you for, thank you. 3 (1h 1m 13s): Thank you. 5 (1h 1m 14s): Thinking you get it, which is appreciated. I really appreciate that personally. Thank you. 3 (1h 1m 18s): No dude. I was that kid, man. If I saw myself on that I would die. Like literally, like I wouldn't know what, what to do. I can only imagine the emotions going through your like, oh, That's so huge. It's so special. 5 (1h 1m 32s): I mean, you saw it. I was like trying to act cool. I'm like, 3 (1h 1m 37s): I know that was cool. 5 (1h 1m 39s): So I'm going to go to the got him, whatever, where they talk to you about magazines, 3 (1h 1m 47s): Barnes and noble 5 (1h 1m 52s): Susan. Where the fuck? Where the fuck do I buy magazines? I had no idea. 3 (1h 1m 58s): I bet you can find it. I know what I think guitar center might have been. That would have that, to be honest, I'm like dead serious. I used to take my son there for 5 (1h 2m 5s): Sponsors just saying 3 (1h 2m 7s): No, I wish I had a, Hey, I wish I had guitar center 5 (1h 2m 15s): Brought to you by 3 (1h 2m 17s): Brooklyn. Brought to you by. 5 (1h 2m 19s): I was like, I want to go see myself on a, on a magazine rack, but there's no magazine max anymore. 3 (1h 2m 25s): If you can find it, I guarantee 5 (1h 2m 28s): I'm like, I'm trying to get this interview so I can go find it. 3 (1h 2m 31s): Okay. Well I'll I'll I'll I'll brief it up here and then you can go find it. No, but seriously, th that's awesome. Is that a monthly, monthly? I would imagine, right? 5 (1h 2m 42s): No, there's eight annually. I 3 (1h 2m 44s): Had someone come out of your Monthly. Okay. So yeah. So you're on March, March cover. Then you have plenty of time to go grab it. Well, I mean like 5 (1h 2m 55s): Periodical station, 3 (1h 2m 57s): You have plenty of time to come find some are selling magazines. 5 (1h 3m 10s): Yeah. Right there. If you find it before me just buy it for me and 3 (1h 3m 14s): I will drive to your house. 5 (1h 3m 18s): You sell it for double for sure. 3 (1h 3m 21s): Well, by two so I can sign one for me. Valid man. Well, so that's awesome. The records out your eighth, eighth record, and you're able to tour it, which is amazing. You're on the cover of magazine and I really appreciate your time today. This has been so awesome. Thank you so much. 5 (1h 3m 37s): I really enjoyed it too. I hope this is fun. I don't, 3 (1h 3m 39s): I've had a blast. 5 (1h 3m 41s): I just like to, I like to talk to people, you know, after all this COVID bullshit. It's like, Hey, what's up human, human. Let's be ourselves. I think oftentimes I'm really overbearing. And I'm like, well, guess what? For the last two years, we haven't been able to hang out with anybody like 3 (1h 3m 59s): You're right. I mean, 5 (1h 4m 0s): Yeah. I hope that was enjoyable for you too. 3 (1h 4m 3s): It really has been, man. This has been so fun. Thank you. Before I blue, before I let you go find that magazine. I have one more question for you. 5 (1h 4m 9s): Where's 3 (1h 4m 15s): Do you have any advice for aspiring artists? 5 (1h 4m 18s): Yeah, man. What kind of artists? What are you talking about? 3 (1h 4m 25s): A musician. If you could give yourself, if you can give sixteen-year-old self you advice before you're on the cover of Relic magazine, what would you say? 5 (1h 4m 36s): Well, I mean, I got a couple of different ideas about this. That's a good question for what it's worth. I think that, you know, for me, there's a difference between an artist and an entertainer. You know what I'm saying? And like, I'm not sure which is better. I've tried at times I tried to be both, but like, like meet great musicians or great musicians. The people that make people happy are a little bit of a different elk as it were. And I'm not saying one's better than the other. I don't know. Which is which, and like, I'm not the best musician in the world, but I try like I, myself, I try and play with myself, but like, you know, Make people happy. 5 (1h 5m 28s): Like, you know, like you like sure, go to Berkeley, be creative artists, be your best, like fucking bad-ass ninja, like boom guy, but like all well and good. But like at the end of the day, in my, in my perspective, being an entertainer, make people smile, you know? Like the people need this. World's so fucked up right now for two hours a night or three hours a night, you can make someone smile. That's the deal, man. Like for me, it's my life.