Interview with John Harvie

1 (1m 27s): Hello. It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieved stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with John Harvey over zoom video. John was born in Philly, lived there until about, I think, 12, 13 years old. He moved to Louisville Kentucky now, currently in the Nashville area, but he got into music at an early age, started playing guitar while he was living in Philadelphia, ended up moving to Louisville. And when he got there started some bands was playing in his church group and different youth groups. He ended up moving to middle Tennessee, which is like east of Nashville, a bit going to college there and taking a songwriting or music business classes. 3 (2m 14s): And in college while attending the school, he had a song go wild on Tik TOK, and that kind of changed everything for him. He has an amazing story about the song bleach on the rocks that has to do with him getting pulled over by a cop and the reaction of the cop and how that translated into the wild success of the song. He also talks to us about the new music he's working on co-writing for the first time and seeing his name on these massive festival lineups. You can watch the interview with John on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It would be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik TOK at bringing back pod. 3 (2m 59s): And if you're listening to this on either Spotify or apple music, it'd be awesome if you follow us there as well. And if you have a chance, hook us up with a five star review, that'd be amazing. 4 (3m 8s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 3 (3m 14s): We're bringing it backwards with John Harvey. Yeah. And this is about you and your journey and music. And of course, we'll talk about the new songs. 5 (3m 23s): Heck yeah, brother. Can't wait. 3 (3m 25s): Cool. I, are you in Nashville? 5 (3m 28s): I am. I'm not well, okay. So technically I'm right outside of Nashville and this town called Antioch. It's so sick. Cause it's like, it's cheap. It's a little quiet out here, dude. Great. Mexican spots around here. So super like authentic joints. So, oh dude. It's awesome. Yeah. 3 (3m 52s): I was just going to say I live on the outskirts of Nashville, so I live a little farther south than you 5 (3m 57s): Do. Where are you at? 3 (3m 58s): I'm like down by Franklin. 5 (4m 1s): Oh dude. Franklin is awesome. Love Franklin. 3 (4m 4s): Yeah. I'm a little bit south of Franklin. If you, I'm not going to announce the town, but you could figure it out. But Eddie, I now I'm announcing your town. The there's some Mexican spots there, huh? 5 (4m 18s): Yeah. There's this place called El Tapatio. That is chef kiss, bro. 3 (4m 24s): Okay. That's awesome. Because I am, I I've only lived here for less, almost a year at the end of the month, but I'm from San Diego and we have some, we had some pretty amazing Mexican food in San Diego says we're right next to the border. And then I came here and I couldn't really find it, but then there is a place in my town. That's owned by a dude from San Diego 5 (4m 44s): Tides. 3 (4m 45s): It's pretty decent. I mean, it's good, but it's, I'm down to check out where you're talking about. 5 (4m 51s): Come on, bro. You want, you want to take food trip? I got you, my friend. 3 (4m 55s): I love that. Why are you originally from the area? 5 (4m 60s): Yeah, so I was, I kind of split up my childhood. So I was born in Philly, lived there for 13 years. My dad's a pastor. And so we ended up moving to a Louisville Kentucky. So you know, if you like hipster shit also. Sorry. Am I allowed to like Also do it? If you like hipster shit, like chocos button up Patagonias and like Jack Harlow, like is the place for you man? So little, little tight 3 (5m 27s): Now. Is it 5 (5m 28s): Really 3 (5m 29s): It's hip? I don't, I've never been to Louisville. I know Kentucky. Ain't far from here. 5 (5m 34s): I think the word I want to use to describe as like granola, like it's just, it is pretty it like a lot of people have like, like 3 (5m 40s): Rocking 5 (5m 41s): Yeah. Stuff like that, you know? Yeah, bro, like Logan is like keep Louisville weird. So like they, they love it. They're so 3 (5m 51s): Awesome. 5 (5m 52s): Yeah bro. 3 (5m 53s): So you lived in Philly and then he went down to Louisville and that will obviously now you're in the Nashville area, but how, tell me about the first 13 years in Philly. And that must've been quite different than obviously Kentucky or Tennessee 5 (6m 7s): Big culture shock, honestly. So like Philly's like super, just like blue collar and everybody there. It's just like a hard ass and they kind of like tell you how it is. And like, I love that culture and I'm like a huge, every like Philly sports team, huge fan of. So like next year's just got hard and baby let's go and 3 (6m 26s): Pretty crazy 5 (6m 28s): On that. So yeah, a huge like sports guy in like the sports culture, there is insane. I just had some friends that played a show at the Fillmore in Philly last night, her name's Charlotte Sans and she's on the young blood tour 3 (6m 43s): And that's rad. 5 (6m 44s): Yeah bro. And they just played Ophelia last night. So I hit her with all the cheese, steak joint things that she needed to hit up and like gave him So great food, great culture. And it's like super history filled. So like I grew up always going to like the Franklin Institute and like independence hall and stuff like that. And you know, just kind of learn about the country. So I was kind of sick doing that and yeah, I like went to a, I went to public school all the way up until sixth grade and I went to the super small, like private Christian school, which was super dope. And then I moved to Louisville in bro. I mean just night and day homie, 3 (7m 20s): I can imagine. 5 (7m 22s): Cause like you got that like Southern culture in Lowville and everybody's like really nice to your face. And like, you know, it's like super kind of like Bible belt tea down there. Oh, it's really cool. And like everybody's like super nice. And then, you know, when I went and moved to Louisville, I went to a private Christian school and it was just like a weird shock for me. It was just like, you know, I was just like, I was kind of used to being kind of like mixed with different like cultures and lifestyles and stuff like that. And you know, then it's like, then I go to like a predominantly white kind of Christian school and like a lot of people have money there. So I was just like, whoa, this is like way different from like what I'm used to. But like, it was cool getting like both perspectives and like seeing two sides of different things. 5 (8m 4s): But I love both of them. They're they're they're great. So 3 (8m 7s): Did you grow up in like in the city? In Philly, 5 (8m 12s): Right outside. So I grew up in Montgomery county, which is like north Philly, like this, like the town I lived in was called Willow Grove. And so yeah, dude, I loved it there, man. It was always a good time. 3 (8m 26s): Cool. How did you get into music? 5 (8m 28s): So funny enough, dude, neither of my parents are musical whatsoever. 3 (8m 34s): Really? Just because your dad, you said your dad's a pastor. I didn't know if that was included in like, you know, and then I was in the band at school or church or whatever. I'm sure you probably were out there. I'm sorry. I'm telling your story. 5 (8m 49s): Well, honestly that's kind of how it happened. Like, like neither of my family's musical, I think it skipped a generation because my dad's or my mom's dad was like in the band and he did like, it's hard and vocals, but like, I don't know what it was, but music always just like clicked with me. Like my mom would always be playing like Mozart. I like when I was baby to like the creative juices flowing, you know that my dad was like a huge rock and metal head. Like he grew up listening to like Def Leppard and Metallica as a kid. And then he, when we were in the car, like on the way to school every day I was listening to like muse and Lincoln park and the foo fighters and stuff like that and fallout boy. 5 (9m 34s): And so I was just like had a huge rock bone in my body. And then I'll never forget, like the first one of the first big Christmas gifts he got me, he was like this stereo. And then it had this, I don't know if you know this band, but they're called bees. He talked, they're like Christian rock. They actually live in town. 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And then, you know, I got my first guitar when I was like, shoot like seven or eight or something like that. And used to like, pretend like I know how to play the chords and stuff like that. So I've been like singing my whole life and you know, I started getting guitar lessons when I was 10. And so I've been like writing songs in my room since I was like 10 years old and playing in, you know, youth group bands and then helping lead worship. And then, you know, eventually when I moved to Kentucky, I was leading like chapel at my school every single week and then doing band stuff with the church. 5 (12m 7s): So we were with, and then when I was like 17, I started experimenting with like actually like doing like garage band stuff and like playing out gigs and like shitty, you know, pizza venues and stuff like that in front of two people. So yeah, bro, it's been a fun journey. 3 (12m 22s): That's rad. So you were, but you're writing songs at a young age too. When did you start showing people those? Because I would think that when you're, you know, leading, you know, worship and all that stuff, it's probably you're doing what they're kind of requiring of or like, I don't really know how that works. 5 (12m 37s): I mean, yeah, basically it'd be like, because I was never like the worship leaders. So they would like pick songs and be like, yo, these are the songs they're doing this week practice on like whatever. And so I did kind 3 (12m 47s): Of play what they're kind of asking 5 (12m 49s): And do it, it like, it was great to learn and you know, I lined up the musicians and it just taught me how to learn like basic chords. Like Christian music is great for beginners to like, just get into music and like start out simply. But funny enough, dude, I actually watched this the other day. There's a YouTube video of me when I was, I think 12. And I posted like one of the first songs I'd written or something like that on YouTube was called like light in the dark or something like that. And I was like in my bedroom in Philadelphia and I like put it online cause I was like, I can subscribe. Hopefully like my song. It was like, it was cool, man. So I started like, I was like, you know, 11 or 12 and yeah, just like I've always been right. 5 (13m 31s): You know, I love it. So, 3 (13m 33s): And when you got to Louisville that's when, where were you playing in bands outside? I mean, you were talking about playing bands within the church, but were you, and then you ended up what getting garage man at 17. And how did that change? Were you just writing more songs? Did you have a band together that would, you'd go play the pizza joints of six people to 5 (13m 52s): So it was like, it was funny. You saw I was a big, like I'm a backtrack here a little bit, but like, 3 (13m 57s): Yeah. 5 (13m 59s): I never, like, I always want him to do music in. I'd always wanted to be in a band, but like Louisville for me specifically at the time that I was there, it was kind of hard to get into like a rock band or whatever. Cause like at the time, like what was really big was like hip hop music. So you have like the Bryson tiller, Jack Harlow type stuff, or you were in like a hardcore band, like knocked loose there they're from like olden county, Kentucky. Yeah. So like huge like metal head to like, but I was like, I couldn't find like a mix and I was playing football and like that's what I thought I was going to do in college. And then I ended up, you know, classic story, tore, tore, both the shoulders, 3 (14m 40s): Going to go ACL, 5 (14m 42s): No Good legs here, man. It was in like the middle of doing those, you know, just like rehabbing stuff like that. I was like, well shoot, I'm just going to like start a band with some boys that I'm able to meet. And so I just ended up like going to shows and, and meeting people. And I ended up having two bands while I was in Louisville. And one of them translated over to when I moved to Nashville for a little bit before I decided to do like the fraternity band thing was, but yeah, bro, it was fun. Just like cut my teeth there and lending out a performance in front of like essentially nobody and just getting like, you have to like be shitty at the beginning, you know? 5 (15m 27s): And so that was, that was like my time to, you know, play like bad music and like get better. So I love that those are so much fun. 3 (15m 35s): And when do you get to Nashville and what took you here? 5 (15m 39s): So I came to Nashville in 2018. I was going to a middle Tennessee state university Studying music business. And cause I just love the music industry. And I was like, I didn't know whether, I mean I knew like, sorry, I'm going to call it declining. Like, And I saw I was studying music business and like I always wanted to do music, but for some reason I was hesitant. I was like, oh no dude, like can't can I do this? So I just wanted to like learn the business side cause it would like help the artistry or whatever. So that was great. 5 (16m 19s): And they really prepped me for a lot of amazing things and like taught me a lot about the business and how it works and then COVID hit. And then I, my junior year I ended up switching over from music business to commercial song writing. And so I was trying to learn how to write songs. Like better ended up, 3 (16m 42s): Sorry, real quick on commercial song, writing, just writing what pop songs that are more commercial or was it like writing music, like jingles for commercials 5 (16m 51s): Like writing songs in general? Like no matter what wanted to do, they could like help you, you know, write a hip hop song, write a pop song, write a rock song and just like everything kind of in the vein of song writing. And so funny enough, I'm so bad at school, dude. I didn't even get this thing called candidacy, which is like the golden ticket into like the actual like core classes. So like you got your like basic gen EDS and like the classes you got to maintain a certain GPA to start taking like the core classes to graduate. So I didn't even get that. And then like COVID hit and it gave me like a lot of time to think about like what I wanted to do. 5 (17m 33s): And I felt like empty, like really prepped me in such a good way that it was like, okay, I've learned my basic knowledge. I feel like I'm not going to be able to learn a lot of this stuff in a classroom, I guess just got to go get real world experience and like actually try it out with what I've been prepared with. And so that was a scary decision, but I ended up dropping out and like October, 2020, it was on the hold on. I was on the 28th. That's when it was. Cause that was the last day of drop classes where you didn't get the F it was like, you technically didn't complete it. So I was like, oh, if I ever go back, you won't like, 3 (18m 9s): Yeah, my GPA will be stellar. 5 (18m 13s): That's still maintain like a 2.4. Like let's go. Yeah. Just dropping out and working at ups to try to pay the bills. And it was the scariest, but the best decision I've ever made in my life. So. 3 (18m 27s): Okay. So October, 2020, you're obviously doing like online classes too at that point, which probably was a nightmare in itself. 5 (18m 34s): Oh yeah. 3 (18m 36s): And then are you, did you just start focusing on your artist? You said you got a job, but other than that, are you just constantly working on this project now? 5 (18m 45s): Yeah, so it was like funny. Cause when I dropped out originally I was with another band of mine called vine wood, which I had met all the members through my fraternity. I was part of this fraternity called ATO. And they were all just like my best friends that are really talented musicians. And so we ended up doing that. And so when I dropped out my manager, he was like, yo, like you should really start experimenting with Tik talks and stuff like that. And I was totally that asshole that was like, I take talks for like dancers and like my, I like it's not. And so ignorant. And then it was like the reason that everything like popped and it was, it was literally new year's day or new year's Eve that my first video popped off and I woke up with like 13,000 followers or something like that. 5 (19m 38s): And like in video just like got a million views. And I was like, I messed up a fallout boy song. I was singing sugar. We're going down and my throat tickled in the middle of the course. And so I just coughed in the middle of the course and I'm like, I just did a hard cut and people thought it was hilarious, but they like, like the singing. And so it was at that point I was kind of like, oh shoot, man. Like I think I can do this. Like people really enjoy my voice and like wanted more. And so I just like started writing for my own stuff because that's just what I wanted to do. And you know, I just had this clear vision of where I wanted to go musically and super dope. I loved it. 3 (20m 16s): So it started on it just as a tick-tock thing that you're just singing. If a boy song becomes a viral, right. And then people start following you and then we'll how does that look like? Cause I was funny. I just had another interview with somebody else and we were talking about this and the weird, like the weird thing that is tick-tock where 13,000 people followed you. But most people are spending their time on the, for you page and not on the people that they follow page. 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Like how did that, like, how did you go from, you have like a, like a, a number of people watching you on a cover song to putting out your own music and having that do something. 5 (22m 42s): Yeah, it was just like, I mean, I got motivated number one, rhythm work. And I was like, yo, even though these 13,000 at the time, whatever the number was like, aren't going to see every post I make. I was like that many people like gave a fuck enough to give me a follow in case I do pop up on their page again. 3 (23m 5s): I mean, it's huge. 5 (23m 6s): So it was like really encouraging and I was like, okay, cool. How do I maintain this audience? And how do I like keep gravitating new fans? Like how do I entertain them without, you know, coming off? It's just like, Hey, listen to my music. Like I wanted to come up with a really creative way to incentivize them, to listen to my music. And I didn't have a lot, I didn't have any psych. I had three decent demos to my name at the time of that. I like dropped out. And so I was like, okay, cool. I'll like do some covers and try to get people and get them to like my voice. And then I'll just hopefully win them over with the songs. Cause like, I feel like good songs speak volumes, you know? 5 (23m 48s): And so I just started co-writing and then after I co-wrote, I just started teasing demos to see if any of them would stick and bleach ended up being the fourth co-write I'd ever had. Cause I'd never co-written in my life until January of last year. 3 (24m 5s): So how are you getting the core, right? Sorry, sorry. Kind of jump back a little bit. 5 (24m 9s): I lawyer is the sweetest person in the world, her name's Rachel she's incredible. And she saw a couple of the tech talks and she just like really believed in me when nobody else did. And so she obviously has this huge network Hobbs of song writers Nashville. And so she just stuck her neck out for me and was like, yo, like I think this kid has got something like, listen to these videos, listen to these, you know, bedroom demos that he did. Let me know if you want to like work with some and she 3 (24m 41s): Found you on Tik TOK. 5 (24m 42s): Well, yeah. So funny enough that there was managing another artists at the time and they were kind of talking just about that guy. And he was like, Hey, by the way, I got this other guy that I'm managing, like I think he really liked him. And so she had saw the tech talks from my manager and she was like, oh my goodness, like let's, let's talk like let's just, you know, have a good time. And so she was like, yeah, let me get you some co-writes I'm like, let's try to get your feet wet and like Sing. And so the co-writes just ended up going really well. And I just fell in love with the process. Do like, I love writing songs so much in whether it's for me or whether it's for other artists. Like I've always just been a huge fan of writing. 5 (25m 23s): And so they just ended up going really well. And because of the tic talks like blowing up that started like giving me label attention. And so at the time the game plan was like, yo, let's start writing songs. And then we'll like try to shop these songs under the table to labels. And then like, just because of the way the whole process works, I was like, well, like let's build some leverage. Like let's prove to them. We can like get streams and like put out a great song and people will love it. You know? And so after the BleachBit took off, I was like freaking out, dude. I was like, oh my gosh, like guys, people really like the song, like let's drop it. And so we're all like, what's a cool date. We're like April 23rd, like let's do it. 3 (26m 6s): That's my son's birthday. This was a great day. 5 (26m 10s): And so yeah, man, we were just like, okay, cool as come up with like a really intentional pre-release and post-release plan and let's just work our ass off at it. And so we ended up having like five songs I felt really strongly about, we were just going to drop them all singles and came up with plans for all of them. And so job bleach and you know, I got really lucky. I had a couple of videos pop up before that and just people pre-saved it like crazy. And it blew my mind and it was just like a natural process. You know, when the song came out, like the first day it got like 30,000 streams and I was like, whoa, that was like, literally over double what I thought I was going to get. 5 (26m 54s): And they got like, you know, there's 60,000 or something like that. And I was like, oh my goodness. And it just kept like naturally growing from people just genuinely just like in the song and just the social media plan that we had going and no, you know, placements. I had no label helping me push it from the beginning. This is all just people like sending it around and, you know, playing the songs for their friends and stuff like that. So it just like blew my mind and yeah, it was a crazy process. 3 (27m 25s): It's credible. And so what was the, are you talking when you said the video for, for, for bleach, was that the tick-tock video that did well? 5 (27m 32s): Well, I had an initial, one of me just like playing it in my bedroom and like lips thinking it or whatever Track. And I mean like, dude, honestly it like didn't even blow up that like dude to have like a hundred thousand views or something like that, not even like, so, so I was just like gummy excited and I was like, okay, cool enough. People would care that I feel like I could get way more people like it, like later on down the road. So yeah, it was, you know, the reaction was really good and we just decided to commit and go for it. Cause it like encapsulated at the time, like all the other stuff you're riding, you know, it was just perfect blend of everything we were doing in one song. 5 (28m 16s): And so it was like dope. Let's let's try it. 3 (28m 19s): Okay. And then from there you were just getting, you were getting pre-staged from like the videos that you're posting up on Tik TOK. 5 (28m 27s): Yeah. And then I ended up having one video, like really take off. And at the time dude, I was so broke. I was working at ups and my car, my headlight and my tail light was out. Right. And so me and my manager are in our light spot that we always hang out at. And we're like, dude, how funny would it be? If like I got pulled over by a cop. Cause my taillight, my headlight being out and like shot on the song. And they were like, ha, well, if it doesn't happen, like we'll go fake in any ways. Lo and behold I'm de DIYing my manager at the time. 5 (29m 8s): And so all of a sudden this cops coming the other way and I'm like, oh shit. And then do it. I mean, he whipped it around and I like knew he was about to pull me over. I was like, no. And so flashes the lights on. Here's where it gets crazy. Dude, we get pulled over and the cop is like, Hey, can I see your license, registration, whatever. We give them all our stuff. He goes back, sheriff pulls up, they're all talking. And he comes back, looks at my manager and he's like, Hey man, do you remember me? And he was like, holy shit, whatever his name was homeless. Sorry. But anyways like said his name and lo and behold, like they used to work on like Nashville predator, hype videos while my manager was in high school together. 5 (29m 56s): And so he ended up knowing the cop. I'm like, dude, like I'm going to ask him. And he was like, do it. And I was like, okay bro, like you don't have like passing periods, chase to be on the next five minutes to you. And he was like, no, he's like, what's up. I was like, okay, I'm musician. I got the song coming out. Like, I'd love to get your genuine reactions to it. I just want to play at once if you're allowed, like if you're okay with us filming it, like that'd be dope. And he was like, okay, cool. Let me like talk to the sheriff, whatever. So they go on talk, he goes into the green light and then we just like played the song for him and got his reaction. And like, it just like blew up and he ended up not giving me a ticket. 5 (30m 37s): Cause I told him I was too broke to fix my headlight, my tail lights. And he let me off in the morning and it was really nice. I like edited the video and they're like, do it. I got like a million and a half views, like the next day or something like that. I was like, holy shit. And yeah, that the pre-stage just took off like crazy. And I was like less than a week before the song came out. So that was the one that like really pushed it. That's 3 (31m 2s): So funny. 5 (31m 3s): Yeah. And then like, because of the video did, well, I, sorry I'm getting a drink of water, but because the video did well, I'd, I'd like licensed it to these like really popular accounts on Instagram. And so they just like posted the Tik TOK video all over Instagram with these counts. I have like however many followers and everybody just started loving the song. And so that was the one video that just like took off like crazy and yeah, just got lucky dude, honestly. So 3 (31m 37s): Amazing. Well, I wouldn't say lucky if the song didn't 15 (31m 40s): Finding the right person for the job, isn't easy. 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We using a police officer that no one cares about. Right. So, 5 (33m 32s): Well, it was cool. It was like, he nailed it too. It's like what he thought it sounded like. And I was like, oh wow. That was like, actually like really good take on like the song. I was like, let's go. Like a lot of people thought he was valid. You know, I was like, 3 (33m 48s): That's awesome. 5 (33m 49s): It was cool, man. 3 (33m 50s): That is so cool. I thought you were going to say something about fixing your light or you're like, yeah, I was dead broken then like the song took off, like I fixed my lights 5 (34m 1s): Is that the end of the bed. He was like, Hey, go like buy the song or whatever. Cause this guy needs a taillight fixed or whatever. And I was like so nervous. I was like, yeah, that was hilarious. 3 (34m 18s): That is super funny, man. Well, I love that song. I love what you're doing. All, all the other ones that you have out real quick, when you have a thing on your Instagram, this is texting me. And it's what I saw as the 6 1 5 number. I'm like, whoa, like this is like, he does live around here, like allergies. Like how do you manage that? 5 (34m 36s): So basically I was just like my community number of, I just, you know, have like fans or whoever wants to keep up with this, you know, just text that number and then, you know, extra special content. Whether it be certain photos we did or like an update if I'm like on the road or I want to send them like a snippet of a song that's about to come out or something I'm teasing. And so it's like a really good way for me to just get connected with everybody and just like have some cool, like genuine conversations. Like one of the things we did on tour was for that number. I was able to text specific regions that I was in. And so like for example, we were in like grand rapids for a show and I was like, yo, like if you're in grand rapids, you're coming to the show, text me and bring your ID. 5 (35m 24s): Cause if you do, I got a present for you. And so everybody, that was 21 that came like, we just got them a free shot on the house. And so I, Yeah. And so it's like cool little special stuff like that, that like, you know, I could do for everybody. But like if you're part of that community group, then we just like get to do some like cool, special perks and like I get to keep them updated. So it's kinda nice. It's like a mini club. So 3 (35m 46s): That's so cool. That is so cool with the tour. When were you able to tour? And you've got a lot of big festival shows, right? You've done a lot of big festival shows and have some, a lot of coming up. So when w when did this heartache place? 5 (35m 57s): So this was my first tour ever. It happened. It was like late January. Yeah. Yeah. 3 (36m 8s): So last, like last month you like pretty much just got off of it. 5 (36m 12s): Oh yeah, bro. I'm like, I'm like fresh off of this man. So I'm like still brand new to the game and like, I love it. And so this is a really cool full circle moment, but I'm a huge metal head. Like I grew up like such a scene kid and like, I love like hard rock and just like metal music. And so one of the first bands I ever listened to was called attack attack. And so w their singer, Johnny Frank has a solo project now called bill Mary. And so that was when we went on 3 (36m 46s): Throughout. I didn't know that. 5 (36m 47s): Yeah. And so he, he ended up hitting me up cause he found me on Tik TOK and he's friends with my drummer, Josh. And so he was like, dude, you like want to go on tour with us. And I was like, oh my God, dude, I'd love nothing more. Cause he was like a childhood hero of mine, you know? And so I was very fortunate enough to be able to go on that little small leg with him. And we just did, we just played four shows four days in a row. And it was the most fun I've ever had in my life. Dude being in a shitty sprinter van with all the boys and you know, everybody smells skyline chili when we're in Cincinnati and just eating junk food. 5 (37m 28s): And it was such a fun experience and their crew is absolutely amazing. So create Bob's 3 (37m 33s): That's so cool, man. And then you're playing some, I mean, you're playing with vampire weekend and like just some of the names on there, churches, Lord hear on best deal. And then I saw your, you got a killer show and your black barons have a plan. Like just like these massive things like that. That's almost be pretty new. Right. I mean, I couldn't imagine like how that, like getting these festivals, like what is that like, 5 (37m 56s): There it is. It blows my mind, man. Like things have moved a lot quicker than I expected them to. And it's been very, it's been a really humbling experience, but it's also been like motivation cause it's just like, you know, it's surreal. I grew up listening to these bands my whole life and now, you know, I get the chance to be playing alongside of them. And like, I don't know, in a way I, I was kind of struggling with it at first. Cause it was like, damn dude, like, do I deserve to like be with these guys? And then, you know, I just felt like a lot of times in my life when I was starting with these bands, like nobody was just giving a shit about me or my music. 5 (38m 37s): And then all of a sudden videos start taking off and I just worked harder than I ever have in my life to, you know, get where I'm at, where I'm at. And now it's just like exciting man. It's like, you know, they're not these crazy like idols anymore. I mean, obviously they are idols like to me, but like they potentially get to be my friends and like, you know, people I collab with. And so I'm just like so thankful for it. And it's like the most exciting thing in the world that like all these bands I used to look up to, it's like, yeah, now I get to share a stage with him and you know, hopefully meet them and yeah. It's, it's like so dope, dude. Yeah. 3 (39m 14s): That's so cool, man. Well, obviously you've been working your ass at it for a very long time. Like there's nothing to, as you said, like, oh yeah, there's just some overnight success. Like obviously you've been doing this for a very long time, so that's so amazing that you're able to really, you know, like you said, share a stage with some of your people that you've looked up to for your entire life. That's amazing, man. 5 (39m 33s): Yeah, dude, it really is cool man. Cause like, you know, like once I kind of learned like it's almost like everybody kind of knows each other once you've kind of gotten established in the industry and it's like, oh my God, like, you know, five years ago that would have felt like never could have happened in a million years. But like now it's like reality and I'm like, dude, what is going on now? Like the inner kid in me is just like so excited and stoked. And so there's nothing in this world I love more than performing live and I like take it so seriously. And like it is the one thing I just absolutely love to do. And so it's just like, I'm just so excited to do a man. 3 (40m 13s): Amazing dude. Well, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it. 5 (40m 17s): Yeah bro. Thanks for having me on man. 3 (40m 20s): Real quick. I have one more question for you. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. 5 (40m 26s): Yeah. Let me think about this one for two seconds. Advice I would give is dude, don't be afraid to fail. Like it's so easy to get really discouraged and feel like you can't do something. And like when you do fail, it's like, it's really kind of sad in the moment. But if you are just trying, you're getting better and everybody that's at the level that you look up to was that your level at one point and they had to go through trial and error and they had to figure it out. And if you're just trying, like that's the best thing you can do. 5 (41m 9s): And then I guess another piece of advice I would give is a lot of artists. I feel like, and this is coming from experience for me. We're trying to do a lot of stuff by themselves all the time, you know? And they feel like they have to take on everything, but find people that really believe in you and that believe in the music and the project and start building your team. Cause nothing is more important than a team by QC people like, you know, Drake or like Sean Mendez. 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