Interview with Kaerhart

4 (1m 27s): Hello. It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve startup. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with care, heart over zoom video Carhartt was born and raised in Southern California, and she talks about how she got into music. Started playing piano at a very early age. She's classically trained on piano. Chelsea can play the guitar bass ukulele. She told us that she always wrote music, but never showed it to anyone until she was in college. She attended college in New York. That's where she started her first band. She talks about some other bands. She was a part of, she eventually moved back to LA and that's when she started to sing and really put her songs and lyrics together. 4 (2m 15s): Instead of just writing the songs, the lyrics and having someone else sing them, she started singing her own song. She kind of got drawn into the EDM world, started singing top lines on a lot of EDM songs, but not only does she talk to us a lot about her music, but she is a numerologist, which I was so fascinated by. She's a best-selling author. She has a book called you are a cosmic code, essential numerology, and she's actually currently writing another book right now. So we talk about that as well. It's super fascinating. And she talks about her most recent songs, sunlight and voices. You can watch the interview with care, heart on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. 4 (2m 56s): It would be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and tick-tock at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify or apple music or Google podcasts, it'd be awesome. If you subscribe to us there and hook us up with a five star view, that'd be awesome. 5 (3m 16s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 4 (3m 22s): We're bringing it backwards with care heart. Sure. So this is a podcast about you and your journey in music, but I I'm so intrigued by numerology and I, I really want to ask you about that school as well. 6 (3m 35s): Yeah, of course. I mean, that tends to be how most interviews go with me these days. 4 (3m 42s): Okay. Well, I interviewed somebody a while back and he told me about numerology. I'm like, what is this? What are you talking about? He's like, oh, it's just blah, blah, blah. And so I Googled it. And then there's like this website that you can type in your name and it'll, it'll like, give you your numbers. And I don't know if it's be at like, I don't really know. And then it's like reading all these things about me that were like true. And I'm like, what is happening? But then I'm like, is this thing just like AI and through my like social media accounts and feeding it back to me, it was just bizarre. 6 (4m 16s): You know, it's so funny because you know, obviously I'm a numerologist and I have been a numerologist for awhile. And the other night I was just sitting in my room and I'm like, numerology is so on point, like, how is it? So on point? And I started to kind of like, my mind went down this rabbit hole of like, we must live in a simulation and numerology must be the code because that's the only way that it is just spot on for everyone all the time. I mean, I've been, I don't even know how many readings I've done at this point thousands, honestly, and it's always accurate. And I actually messaged my friend. Who's a famous mathematician, his name's Robert Edward Grant. 6 (4m 56s): And we started talking about numerology and you know, he's like very well-educated famous mathematician. And he's like, no, numerology is real. There's an equation that I found that proved Pythagorean numerology, which is what I studied and teach and him, and I need to get deeper into that and like, bring that to the masses. But 4 (5m 13s): Yeah, 6 (5m 14s): I mean, and he is again, like a mathematician, like he's not like, you know, necessarily he's a spiritual person, but it's not like he's a mystic coming from that. So to hear that from him was really cool because working with this tool, I know it's accurate, but you always kind of questioned yourself. Like, am I crazy? Right? Yeah. Learning. 4 (5m 34s): I was like, w this is, I honestly thought, like they just, cause I had to provide my like email and my name and my last name. I think I even, I don't know, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Do you use your middle name as well? When you're figuring out the number, 6 (5m 48s): Your full legal birth name. So like, you know, the name you were born with and then your birthday, and there are a series of equations that kind of speak to everything, you know, like your life path, your challenges or struggles, like everything you're going through in each year cycle, like it's really infinite what numerology tells you. And honestly, like I was not someone who even like grew up being into these sorts of things. Like I always kind of thought astrology was even bullshit and it wasn't until I had my first like, numerology experience that I was like, whoa, how could this stranger know like the most obscure details about me just from my birthday and name it, it's mind blowing when you really start diving into it. 6 (6m 36s): And it's been really cool to see the response people have had since I wrote my book, as you know, when penguin random house found me to write a book, my first response was, yes, I'll do it. But like, who's going to read it because so many people don't know what numerology is. And I thought it's not mainstream. It's not popular. Who's going to care, but it really has been catching on. And that's so cool to see. 4 (6m 58s): Yeah. Like I said, I had never heard of it. This is literally like a few weeks ago, maybe a month or so ago. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he's like, yeah, you know, you do your name. And then it's like, sorry, it equates to some number. And then this blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay. So after the interview I went on and I'm like, there's no way, this is real. This has to be some AI going through all my, like my reading, my email, my name and everything. And just kind of like figuring out little things about me and like, it was just so bizarre that I, yeah. And I saw that you did that. I'm like, oh my gosh, I really am so curious about all this. 6 (7m 36s): Yeah. And, and you know, when we're not doing this, we can talk more about your numbers. Oh 4 (7m 40s): Yeah. 6 (7m 41s): Go deeper into that. You know? But yeah. I know. That's why the other night I was like, we live in a simulation. There's no other way to explain it. Cause it's still freaks me out as a neurologist, you know? And like, obviously I believe in it. Right. And I, and I view it as an incredible tool for us to tap into ourselves and to love ourselves, accept ourselves, to come into alignment with life, you know, like I was literally homeless and broke with no plans for my future and no prospects. And just by using numerology as a tool, like I, you know, penguin random house found me to write a book. It became a best seller in England. Like I'm assigned artists now, like so many things happen just because I was like flowing with life instead of going against it. 6 (8m 28s): But also like embracing my numbers and being like, okay, there's no way if I'm a life pap one and I'm meant to be a leader. And like, I meant to do something big in this world. There's no, like I'm supposed to be doing these things instead of letting doubt, hold me back. Which is like, been my life story. Right. I'm not good enough, but like running my cosmic code, I was like, I am good enough. Yes. I'm going to go for it. You know? 4 (8m 54s): That's so interesting. Well, I, yeah, I'm really excited to just talk with you about that part, but let's get into your music. I love the two songs you've released recently. But before that let's get into, where were you born and raised? Tell me about where'd you grow up? 6 (9m 9s): So I was born in long beach, California and we moved a lot. So I usually just say LA is where I grew up, but I actually went to high school in orange county, California. 4 (9m 20s): Sure. I'm from San Diego. So I know, I know all of this. I know. I don't know all of your story, but I know where you're talking about. 6 (9m 26s): Yeah. Yeah. So the OSI is where I went to high school. 4 (9m 29s): Yeah. Cool. Okay. So you grew up in, you said you moved around a bit, but you spent, spent most of your time in Southern California. It sounds like. 6 (9m 38s): Yeah. I was in So-Cal for most of my life. And then I went to uni in New York city. 4 (9m 44s): Okay. 6 (9m 44s): So then it kind of like had bounced around between New York and California. 4 (9m 49s): Are you in California now? 6 (9m 51s): No, I'm in North Carolina right now because my parents came out here. They left LA, they wanted like more nature and more land. And then right before COVID hit penguin, random house found me to write the book. And I thought I was living in the east village at the time. And I thought, okay, let me go stay at my parents and write my book in the forest. And I'll come back to New York and get my own spot. And then COVID hit. And I've been here for two years, but I will be in LA, starting at the end of this month, actually. 4 (10m 20s): Very exciting. Yeah. We moved to during the COVID about a year, actually a year ago, yesterday we moved to Nashville and Tennessee. So 6 (10m 28s): No way. Okay. Cause I've been thinking about going to Nashville. 4 (10m 32s): Oh, it's the greatest place I I'm, I'm selling again. A California kid grew up, grew up in San Diego, lived there a majority of my life. And then I lived in San Francisco for a handful of years for doing radio up there, moved back to San Diego. But now my, my wife and two kids, we just moved to some middle Tennessee and we love it here. It's a fantastic, 6 (10m 54s): No, I've been trying to figure out where I want to go. And Nashville is definitely been one of those places. Cause it's like a chiller vibe than LA, but still music because that's really important. Right. Okay. 4 (11m 4s): I feel like it's even more music than LA to be honest. 6 (11m 8s): Yeah. 4 (11m 8s): I mean, LA obviously LA is a bigger entertainment. 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I've been thinking about going there cause I'm like, well I want to like put roots down somewhere and I don't know if LA is right for me. Especially after growing up there, I'm kind of like, ah, I want something different. So Nashville's definitely been on the list. 4 (13m 2s): Yeah. It's great. I can't say enough. Good things about it. We love it here. So 6 (13m 5s): Amazing. Well, thanks for the 4 (13m 6s): Rack. Yes, of course. There's a lot of Californians here too. They're kind of getting irritated by us. So do keep that in mind. Keep that in mind, but so okay. Grew up basically in LA. So how did you get into music? Do you have musical parents? Siblings? 6 (13m 23s): No, but my parents, they, no one plays instruments in my family, but my parents have always been really obsessed with music. Like I was listening to the Beatles when I was in the womb, basically like my mom loves the Beatles and I asked to take piano lessons when I was like four or five years old. So I kind of started doing music that way. And then, you know, I always thought I could never do it professionally. And again, I didn't believe in myself. That was like, my biggest crutch for most of my life is just like self doubt. And when I was in New York city, I met this girl and she really like believed in me and I'd been writing songs, but not shown anyone. And she's like, let's be in a band. 6 (14m 3s): And then we were in a band and that kind of opened my eyes to like, oh, I could actually do this. And then that kind of like led to, you know, meeting people in the industry and being in songwriting sessions and like top lining sessions for other artists and things like that. So yeah, that's been kind of like a really short way of my journey. 4 (14m 22s): Well, no. Yeah. Let's back up a bit. So you piano lessons obviously early on and then were you involved in like chorus choir or anything like that or you just, it was all hobby? 6 (14m 30s): No, no. I actually did not sing until a few years ago. Wow. I had a lot of resistance to singing. I was really scared to be seen. I just wanted to be like the guitar player with mystique. And so in all these bands I was in, I was always writing the songs and playing instruments, but never singing. And then I went through a couple bad band breakups and one of the bands eyes and we were signed to a label and I thought that was my big break. Wow. And it really went to shit and like the most extreme way, the story's too long to tell him this podcast, but it was, it was devastating for me. And at that moment I thought, you know what? I have to start singing my own songs because I know that like, I'm not going to bail on myself, but when you attach yourself in bands to someone else and you're giving kind of your, your power away in a right, 4 (15m 16s): Everyone's got a cut. You have like a democratic vote, so to speak. 6 (15m 21s): Yeah. So I started teaching myself how to sing and you know, it's, it's been a process over the past couple years. 4 (15m 29s): Well, you did very good job. That's self self-taught. How good you are at at singing? 6 (15m 35s): Well, I think I just have a lot of like, I'm really good at letting my emotions come through with my voice. So I think that's maybe, you know, lifts it up a little bit. 4 (15m 46s): Sure. Well, you, you talked about playing numerous instruments. Like what was the first aside from piano? Would you play guitar or was the next year? 6 (15m 54s): Well, I play piano and then I picked up guitar in high school because I was like, the music I was listening to was all guitar driven. Right. Like there weren't a lot of people like growing up that were like piano players or like a lot of the piano, bass music. I feel like it was very guitar. And like, you know, I remember like since you've been gone by Kelly Clarkson came out when I was a kid and I loved that and I had an emo stage will still be like dashboard confessionals and things like that. So I picked up guitar and like, I've been able to like fake instruments. Like I can fake bass. I can fake ukulele. I like anything with like strings. Like I played violin when I was a kid. 4 (16m 31s): Oh, cool. 6 (16m 32s): Yeah. 4 (16m 33s): So did you go to New York for music? Are you pursuing something completely different? 6 (16m 38s): Oh, I really wanted to study music, but again, I didn't believe in myself. And my OPA was, he was paying for my college and he was like, I'm not paying for college. If you're studying music, then the irony of it is that I moved to New York and I wound up doing music because I was in the scene and like meeting all these people. So I was like going to classes. And then at night I was, you know, going to quad studios and, and you know, going to Rockwood music hall and all those spots. 4 (17m 11s): Okay. Okay. Wait, so you said you were always writing or you were writing music before showing anyone and you did that in college. Like what gave you the courage to be like, Hey, I'm going to show this person in this song I wrote. And if you weren't seeing, how did you present the song? 6 (17m 27s): Oh, okay. So I would, so because I'm like a classically trained piano player, I would write a lot of like classical sounding piano parts, or just kind of like even pop chord, progressions and melodies and things. And I met this girl, well, I used to work in like fashion PR and I was interning there and I met her and she's like, I'm a, and I'm like, cool. I play guitar and piano. And I sent her like a voice memo of me playing piano and she sent it back with her voice on it. And I was like, oh, oh my God. And I just was instantly like obsessed. I'm like, oh my God, it's a full song because I was too scared to sing before. 6 (18m 8s): So I had all of this work I had been doing. And you know, like as a kid, I wanted to be like Han Zimmer and be able to like be a 4 (18m 17s): Yes, 6 (18m 17s): Exactly. I wanted to do that. Cause I wasn't singing even though I was always writing. So it's funny looking back, but yeah, she really encouraged that in me. And then we, we were in a band. 4 (18m 27s): Okay. And was that the band that I ended up getting signed and no. 6 (18m 30s): Oh, this was, I was, I've been in so many bands at this point. 4 (18m 34s): Okay. So you're in this band and you you're still going to school or you had graduated at this point? 6 (18m 40s): Yeah. I was still at uni and I was in this band and she one day just like moved away when we're in the middle of finishing an AP and we had signed to a, like a producer, like agreement. And so she kind of left me in New York and I was there finishing the songs on my own and it ended up not working out. Obviously a band kind of has to be in the same place. I mean, maybe not now cause everything's moved online, but 4 (19m 8s): Right, right. But, but from the band you ended up, you said you'd been in a handful of bands. So from there you just kinda, you, were you pursuing yeah. Where you trying to do that was that your goal was to be like my band or be a musician. Okay. 6 (19m 22s): Totally. My dreams. And does a little girl was to be a musician, like a professional musician and do music full time. And I was in so many bands kind of trying to like make something work cause I needed a singer. Right. Because I wasn't singing back then. And I just kept saying like, I can't sing. I can't sing. Even though people I'd worked with, who'd be like care heart, you can sing. And I was like, no, it's not good enough. And that's because I was comparing myself to like a Dell. Right. And I was like, I don't sound like Adele, so I'm not 4 (19m 51s): Good. 6 (19m 52s): But it's like, you know, I remember having this epiphany where I was like, look if Neil young and Bob Dylan can sing and I love their music, then anybody can sing. Cause it really is just about like you having a unique voice. And even though I'm not like a diva singer, like Christina Aguilera or Adele or Mariah Carey who have so much respect for like, you know, I make it do what to do for me. Right. So it's important to like when I had that realization, it was a lot easier to sing. 4 (20m 23s): Okay. And so you were in these bands and then how did, okay, so then how do you translate that? How do you become a writer and how does this whole numerology thing, or where does that kind of fall in line in your story? Like, 6 (20m 35s): Oh my God, the numerology thing was a complete, I can't even tell you how surprised I am by it because it wasn't planned at all. So I was living in LA at the time and you know, if you go on my Spotify, you'll hear like more like EDM type songs. So I was thinking like more electronic dance music type of tracks back then and 4 (20m 54s): Real quick. So you, what graduated from college in New York and then ended up moving back to LA to continue pursuing your career in music. 6 (21m 1s): Yeah. Well I was in New York and I was trying to make it work, but it was so expensive and a lot of the industry had migrated from New York to LA at the time. And I thought, you know, okay, my parents live in LA. I can go crash with them, keep pursuing my artist project. That's when I started just saying, and then, you know, I wasn't producing at the time. So that's why a lot of my songs were more electronic. And also like I was in a lot of sessions with a lot of producers who were like, oh, like you're, you're an attractive girl. And like electronic dance music is big right now and you gotta do this and you gotta be that. And I just trusted them cause I'm like, well they're way better producers than me. And they're way more successful than me. 6 (21m 41s): So like, I'll just do what they say. Right. So, and I love the songs that I made. I mean, I write, I still wrote all those songs, you know, but it was definitely a different sound, but yeah, so I was there and I was making like electronic dance music randomly one night I had a dream that where someone came to me and said follow the numbers. And I didn't know what that meant, but it was like one of those dreams that was like woke me up and I became like obsessed with like what, what is what numbers, you know? And I, long story short discovered numerology found this woman who came from a long lineage of mystics in India, who was a nurse. 6 (22m 22s): She was a numerologist. She gave me a reading, changed my life. I became obsessed with numerology. And so it was like my passion. It was like my hobby outside of music and everything else I was doing. And after like obsessively, like studying charts and doing it for everyone that I met and like, you know, doing it all the time, someone randomly offered to pay me. And I just could not believe someone was going to pay me for a reading. Cause I'm like, I, I was already doing this. Like I would have done it for free in my mind. I didn't think that was like a career potential. Like is N you know, this was a while ago. So this was like before astrology was trending before like spirituality was trending and she became my first client. 6 (23m 8s): And then from there I built this whole business from referrals, which was great. So I was like, finally, you know, with music, it can be up and down with finances. Finally, I had a consistent income, which definitely helped build my self esteem too. And help me like go for it more as an artist. And then, you know, after like a solid like year and a half, two years of like just clients, like penguin random house found me to write a book. And I was like, because they had heard of me, like one of my clients told someone, it was like one of these crazy divine things. And then it kind of just kept growing from there. But it was funny cause like I never tried to do anything. 7 (23m 48s): Facebook has invested $13 billion in teams and technology to enhance safety over the last five years. Over the last few months, they've taken down 1.7 billion fake accounts. Learn more about their ongoing work@aboutthatfb.com slash safety. Facebook leads the industry in stopping bad actors online that's because they've invested $13 billion in teams and technology to enhance safety over the last five years, it's working over the last few months, they've taken down 1.7 billion fake accounts to stop bad actors from doing harm, but working to reduce harmful and elicit content on their platforms is never done. Learn more about how they're helping people connect and share safely at about.fb.com/safety. 4 (24m 33s): Right. It just sounds like you were interested in it. And then you're, you were sharing your interests with the people that ended up being like, oh, like, you know, she really knows what she's doing and you should go talk to her. And then, I mean, pet pinging around her house is like one of the biggest publishing companies. There are like anyone, a little majority of like the very massive books that are out or especially like that are written by either big art authors or even like a lot of celebrities books are all out on penguin, random house. 6 (25m 1s): Yeah. No, I mean, I'm again, like was so surprised when I got the email and I, because I think I was so surprised and it wasn't something that I was like, you know, like sometimes when we hold tightly to something we're like, oh my God, I need this, I need this, I need this. It's almost like you fuck up the frequency. And then I was just so like, oh wow, that would be cool. But it wasn't a goal of mine. So I think it just like flowed so easily. But again, like even the book coming out, like I didn't think anybody would read it. I didn't, I just thought, you know, okay, I'll put out a book and I was so surprised by the response, but obviously really happy. 6 (25m 41s): Cause I'm like, oh, okay. I'm not just some crazy chick obsessed with numbers. This is a real thing that really helps people. And it's not just me. 4 (25m 49s): Right. And that's the thing is it's weird. Cause it really is kind of like, not quite on the, the mainstream yet because, and the fact that people found your book and in that market, like we're super stoked that it's there. And you know, obviously, because like for me, I D I didn't know what it was until like less than like a month ago. And then like, I hear about it. I'm like, wow, this is the most fascinating thing ever. And then I'm automatically Googling like literally at the interview, I'm like, what is this? And, and then it all made so much sense. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is just too, too much for me right now. But like, yeah, it's, it's yeah. It's pretty what a world. I mean, 6 (26m 27s): You think about it, like the, our entire world is run on math, everything like, even like this phone is, you know, composed of like coding a series of like zeros and ones. Like everything can be measured through mathematical equations. Like, and space is measured with math. Like even music is frequency, that's represented by numbers. Right. And even like how you make up a court, like 1, 3, 5, right. So it's like, everything runs on math and there's something so simple about numerology where it's just like black or white, like just, it's so direct where I think a lot of people have a hard time kind of like, I feel like people have an easier time getting on board with numerology. 6 (27m 8s): Cause they're familiar with math and numbers than something like astrology, right? Yeah, 4 (27m 12s): Yeah. No, totally. Yeah, because astrology is more like, oh, you're this sign. And then, well, it's like, well, who decided that? And then it comes down to like this, but with numbers, it's like, this is the number I'm, I've just thought of this right now. I'm just very curious when it comes to like, you know, right. You kind of, I mean, I don't know how it works. Like, could I tell you my name and you'd know what numbers it is? Like you could do the math, like in your head and be like, okay, this is what you'd be this or whatever. 6 (27m 39s): I can do that with the birthday. But with the name, you know, every single letter in your name is represented by a number and you have to add it up a specific way. So I always needed to put pen to paper and like, 4 (27m 52s): Sorry, go ahead. 6 (27m 53s): Even when I'm like calculating out things, like I can do math really fast in my head, but I still will always like triple check my work just, just in case I'm also like very like thorough and detail oriented. So yeah, 4 (28m 7s): I guess my question is, so, you know, the pad or, you know, how it would all add up. So therefore, like if I knew all of that and I knew my wife was going to have a baby, could I essentially figure out the bed like choose a name that would, that I guess it wouldn't really work. Cause he's, there's still the birthday factor, unless you I'm going to have a C-section on this day. 6 (28m 31s): Oh, I help people with that. I help people determine the days that they're getting a C-section or well, you know, and some birthdays have karmic debt attached to them. So there's all kinds of different numbers that are attached to birthdays. And so, and I I've had so many clients that I do see how this plays out, but you know, in India, numerology is not considered spiritual. It's considered very matter of fact, it's like, oh yeah, numerology, like here, there's more of like, oh, numerology, that's kind of weird. It's a woo woo. But not in India. And in India, it's like just common knowledge where everyone knows how to do it, but everyone's familiar with it. 6 (29m 12s): And you know, they're, they believe in like changing names for better luck and you can go online and like search stories like this. And there are so many stories. And, and I knew people, you know, who have changed their names and had better luck where someone had horrible luck and love went to numerologists. They said, you need this number. They changed their name. Boom, met the love of their life. And even with me, the first, the woman who first taught me numerology, I mentioned earlier, she told me I would not find success unless I used a name that was a three. So my life past the one, and I always went by care heart. So I just got used everyone calling you by your last name. And I didn't know what to call myself as an artist, you know, so care heart. 6 (29m 54s): Right. But when my book came out, hanging around her house was like, do you want to use Carhartt as your author name? And it just seemed so pretentious to be like, I'm Kara Hart writing a book. I was like, okay, I should go by my full name now, you know, my name's Caitlin Carhartt. I have a middle name, which I'm not using, but Caitlin care heart without my middle name is a three. 4 (30m 16s): Oh. 6 (30m 17s): And my book became a best seller in England. I had all this success around my book. Everything started happening. Once I put out my book with my name, Which is crazy because for years I was like, oh, whatever, like, I don't need to have a three name. I'll find success no matter what. But it's really interesting that I did that. And then again, the book just boom. Like I was on like the biggest morning show in England talking about it, like, And they found me and my publishers. I was like, how did you guys get this? And they're like, literally they reached out to us to have you on like, just, and I just changed my name. And so it does, it does impact things because you know, we're all we're energy, right? 6 (30m 58s): And so are the numbers that make, make us up, like our cosmic code. It's emanating a frequency. Same as music. It's all frequency, it's all vibrations. And so when you're using a certain name, that's the frequency you're projecting out into someone. And that is how they're perceiving you. Right. That's how their energy is taking you in. So when you shift that and you can play around with this, like I've played around with it. I've helped so many clients like figure out their names. It's fascinating to see how different vibrations completely can, can change the game for you. 4 (31m 31s): Wow. Yeah. So, okay. So it does work that way. You can essentially help yourself by putting a name or giving yourself a name that would equate to whatever, a three or a one or whatever you want it to do. That's really, really fascinating. Yeah. I just thought about it. I'm like, oh, I wish I would've known this. And I couldn't get my kid this name. And then he would have been at this number, but then like, I haven't even done it with him cause I can't really figure it out myself, but 6 (31m 55s): No numerology does believe that the reason why we use your full name at birth is that numerology believes in like souls and soul contracts and, and reincarnation and that, you know, your child and you had like an agreement that he or she was going to come through and have that name and have that birthday in order to, you know, have those experiences associated with that journey. But I will say like, I've helped. I mean, a lot of my readings have centered around people who are planning to have a child and like, what name should they have? And when should we have our C-section like, I've done a lot of that work with people as well. 6 (32m 38s): So it's almost like hacking the system, But it's like, you don't, I w I would, I would do that. You know, like I would want my kid to have like the easiest, most fulfilling life, like kid to have the hard path 4 (32m 52s): Katie it'd be like, okay, let me figure this out to the minute so I could get it, like the perfect number sequencing. 6 (32m 59s): Yes. And even like, I help a lot of people with their company names too. So, you know, like if you're launching a podcast or a company, it's like, what do you want to attract? Right. Like, if you want to attract money, then it should be an eight. Like, you wouldn't want to necessarily like launch a company and have it be full depending on what you're doing. I don't want to speak to, but there are certain numbers you don't want to have depending on the company that you're learning. 4 (33m 25s): And then I'm like doing the math in my own name, podcasts, and like, oh, well there's a failure. 6 (33m 31s): No, but I always think about that. It's, it's so important. And again, like, I've just seen it too many times and I'm sure you have, like, let's take numerology out of it. How many artists have you seen that have come out with a project and the project did not do well. And then they decide to change their name and change the sound just a little bit. And suddenly success happens. 4 (33m 51s): Yeah. It countless times or leave like leave a band and then, or change the name of the band. Cause we've got this member and then we had a hit or whatever. It may be 6 (34m 1s): Like maroon five was what? Like Kara's flowers 4 (34m 4s): Something. Yeah. They had some other name first. I can't remember. 6 (34m 7s): And then they went to maroon five. It's like those things matter. They do, you know, I hate to be like that, but I've just been doing this work for so long. And you know, I know that there are a lot of people who might be listening to this and are skeptical, but it's like, try it, try it for yourself if it resonates and you'll start to see like shifts. And I mean, it's, it's really cool. It's really fun. 4 (34m 31s): Yeah. It really, I mean, it's so fascinating. The whole thing just blew my mind when I first did it. But back to you and your music here. So you did the, you're doing the EDM kind of, top-line writing your own stuff there and how do you then decide, okay, this is cool, but I want to really just focus on my own project own as put out my own songs. When did that happen? 6 (34m 53s): Well, I was putting out songs as an artist back then, but back then I was like, very, like, I held myself back a lot. Like I didn't believe in myself fully. And I kept thinking like, you know, I was like, if the song's not a hit, I can't put it out. It was like all these weird barriers I had for myself, which is very bizarre. What ended up happening was I hit a major rock, bottom major. Okay. Like really, really bad. And that's when I, you know, became homeless and like broke, had nothing. And I just had to like stop everything and heal. And during that time, I obviously wasn't putting out music. I was just trying to figure myself out. 6 (35m 34s): And I started working with this girl in a band and 8 (35m 40s): Please walk Sparky for me. No way. I'll throw on a caramel frappe. Ooh, make it a large deal. 9 (35m 49s): Get a sweet deal. $2. Any seismic cafe beverage on the McDonald's app 8 (35m 53s): Between you and me Sparky. I would've walked you for free 9 (35m 58s): Baba offer valid through 43, 22 or participated in McDonald's one time per day. 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Like she wasn't, she didn't play instruments. So I had to take on a bigger role instead of like relying on someone and we produced a project together, which is actually coming out soon. And one of the guys from Bob Moses, his name's Jimmy valance additional production on it. 6 (37m 18s): Yeah. 4 (37m 19s): Yeah. Okay. I'm interviewing him on, I think next week, but Moses. Yeah. I met them a handful of times before, but yeah, that's funny. 6 (37m 30s): So I was working with Jimmy's girlfriend and then I was staying at Jimmy's for a bit. And so her and I really, really grew in that project. Like she became, I became a better producer because she was a producer, but I was like the song, like we both really grew and learn from each other and she became a really good songwriter and singer and I became, you know, a better producer and then, you know, COVID happened and we separated and I just was like, I just got to do it. I just got to produce myself and I needed to prove to myself, I could do it because I had always been collaborating with other people. And I was like, I feel like I can. And so I started producing myself and you know, I don't know how to do like cool electronic programming. 6 (38m 15s): I'm just not good at it, but I know how to play instruments. So I was like, let me just start there. And that's where like my new sound as, as a solo artist is stripped down. That's why it's mostly like acoustic and because everything was written that way. And that was like, where I knew I could shine because I know how to do it. Right. 4 (38m 33s): Sure. Okay. So yes. Do you put out what sunlight and voices are, the newest ones that you released this year? Right. And is that going to be part of a project? 6 (38m 43s): Yeah. So I also put out heart of stone a couple months ago too. And then I have another single coming out called tower. I don't know if Joe showed that to you 4 (38m 56s): Yet. 6 (38m 56s): Oh yeah. I'm really excited about that one. And then again, this band collaboration with this other female producers, OSHA, and then of course Jimmy did some production on it too. So at the moment I'm kind of just releasing singles, you know, I think eventually I'm going to do like a body of work, but because I've gone so many years about being consistent with releases, I just was like, let's just go for it. Let's just do it every six weeks. Just put out a song. So that's kind of where I'm at right now. 4 (39m 22s): Okay. Well tell me about the most recent ones. What like what's voices about? 6 (39m 27s): So voices came out of that really bad rock bottom that I had. And part of the rock bottom was a breakup and it was a really challenging breakup for me, not necessarily because of like a romantic place, but because the relationship was so toxic and we had had a company together. So I felt like I couldn't leave because like my finances were tied and all these things, and we lived together. It was a whole mass coming out of that. And I started writing that around that time and then afterwards, and just kind of looking back on like how we tend to get in our own way. And we tend to get in our own heads about things and like ruminating over like all the fights that we had and how, like, there were so many opportunities where we could have chosen to like be more positive or more loving towards one another. 6 (40m 19s): But we ended up letting like these more negative voices in our head kind of, kind of guide us and like, you know, again, going into this, the shadowy part of ourselves, which happens in lots of relationships and just kind of exploring like, you know, as human beings, we have thousands and thousands of thoughts a day, and most of those are scientifically proven to be negative. And it's about like, Yeah, you can look up studies that have been done on that. And it's like, it makes sense. Like, you know? 4 (40m 49s): Yeah. Yeah. 6 (40m 52s): It's about like being able to like choose to like empower yourself towards the positive thoughts versus the negative, you know? And again, just looking back, like we could have been something right. But we got in our own head and I'm sure, like, you've probably been through that with an ex or even like whoever it's like, you look back you're like, why was I like that? Like, why did I say those things? Why were they saying, you know, it's very, yeah. So it was very introspective kind of breakup song for me. Okay. 4 (41m 19s): And then you ended up putting out sunlight was the most, most recent one or voices as the most mysterious, 6 (41m 24s): They came out on the same day. So I released two songs on 2 20, 2, 22. 4 (41m 30s): Oh, is that a numerology thing? 6 (41m 31s): Exactly. Yes. And you know, one minute 11 and then voices is three minutes, 33 seconds. So it's very intentional. 4 (41m 40s): I don't even think I didn't figure that out. 6 (41m 42s): Well, I had to let people know I'm a numerologist 4 (41m 45s): Yeah. Well, they screwed up on Spotify for some might just going to say, oh, they put it in a minute. They put in a minute and 12 seconds. 6 (41m 52s): Really? 4 (41m 54s): Yeah. You got to call them. 6 (41m 56s): Okay. Well the video says one 11. They're fucking with my vibe, man. 4 (42m 1s): They are, they are, and you need to go, someone needs to get on the phone from Spotify. I needed to let them know. They need to chop. At least maybe it was like a few, like, I dunno, it'd be in music. But like if it was video, like a few frames too far that it, like you had to click over to 12, but yeah. 6 (42m 17s): Well the intention was there and that's what matters. 4 (42m 19s): That's all that really matters. It's the YouTube videos. Got it. That's all that matters. 6 (42m 22s): Yeah, exactly. And that's what I like most people I feel like are listening to it on YouTube because the music video for sunlight is so beautiful because we shot it at this like epic waterfall in Asheville, North Carolina called looking glass falls. And yeah, it's been doing better than voices in a way just with like numbers. And I think again, it's because it has that video piece that really helps tie it in to like, this is what the song is, right? Yeah. 4 (42m 50s): Yeah. Do you have a video with the next one coming out? 6 (42m 53s): Yeah. So I'm shooting videos for every single I'm putting out this year. 4 (42m 57s): Awesome. That is awesome. I'm 6 (42m 59s): Falling all in. 4 (43m 0s): Yeah. What about playing out or anything? Is that something you're interested in doing, or basically sticking with writing songs, putting them out and kind of going now? 6 (43m 10s): It's funny because like, with COVID, like, I just completely forgot about even playing live has not been a thought on in my mind at all. 4 (43m 21s): Well, the artists said it has been a thought on, you know, it's still like up and down and up and down. Like it's like, here's, I think we're going to be doing this, but then yeah. You never know. Right. I mean it's 6 (43m 31s): Yeah, no, I mean, I would love to, I also think that like, I, it was really important to me that I put out like enough songs that then when I would like go play them out, people would be able to be like, okay, cool. Like I want to have like a sets worth. 4 (43m 44s): Sure. Right. That makes sense. Totally. 6 (43m 46s): That's been really important to me, but I don't know. I mean, I'm going to be in LA for a bit and anything could happen. I'm open. 4 (43m 53s): Very cool. And then are you still doing the numerology as far as the readings for people? I'm sure it's 6 (43m 59s): Yeah. You know, I had to stop doing one-on-one readings. It was, it was a lot and it was, you know, hard to balance both, but you know, I, I have coaching clients that I do that are like more intense, but I'm also, I've been working on numerology courses. 4 (44m 16s): Oh, cool. 6 (44m 17s): Yeah. So I'm putting out some courses and I put out like a numerology year cycle planner, like I, so like another book I'm working on my second book. So there's still a lot happening with numerology. Oh, actually I'm launching numerology reports. So you're gonna be able to like go onto my website, my Instagram, and just like put in your info and then you'll get all your numbers. 4 (44m 37s): Oh, wow. That's right. 6 (44m 38s): Yeah, exactly. Which I'm really excited about because I talk about numerology a lot on my, on my Instagram, but you know, some people kind of like, don't want to do the math or, you know, they're kind of like, did I do it right? And so it'll be nice to have that piece, 4 (44m 53s): But yeah. Yeah, 6 (44m 54s): Yeah. And I'm, I'm recording a podcast. I'm going to be in Miami in two weeks to do that. And it's kind of like sex in the city meets astrology, numerology. Okay. So yeah, there's a lot in the works. I have like two careers going right now, 4 (45m 10s): But 6 (45m 11s): Somehow they always kind of like feed into each other. It's really interesting because you know, like people in music will be like, oh, it's really cool that you do numerology and they'll want to talk to me or they'll want to get readings. And suddenly, you know, it shifts that way or people who find my, you know, me through numerology or through my book or whatever, they end up like really being into the music. So it's really like, there is a weird sentence 4 (45m 35s): Because 6 (45m 36s): Yeah. I don't know what it's, it's working. I think. 4 (45m 40s): Yeah. No, totally. Well, this has been awesome. Like so fascinating. I love all the numerology stuff, obviously the records that are awesome as well. Can I really, really appreciate your time today? This has been awesome. 6 (45m 54s): Yes. Thank you for having me. It's so cool to like talk about music, you know, and just like have that be kind of the primary focus, but still be able to like chat numerology and it's 4 (46m 4s): So interested. Oh, well I have one more question for you. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. 6 (46m 14s): Hmm. Okay. Advice for aspiring artists. I'm trying to think of something that wouldn't be cliched. I think, you know, a lot of artists that I know, and especially like myself included, like we get really caught up in how, like we have our dream and we're like, but how is it going to happen and how are we going to get there? And I think you just have to take it one step at a time and just keep putting yourself out there, even though it's scary. And like the fear is never going to go away. Like I still get scared to do things, even though I've had success in certain areas. And you know, it's like the more that you show up for yourself and you get comfortable in that kind of zone of just like going past your comfort zone, the easier it gets, the more you'll like empower yourself to keep going. 6 (47m 2s): You know, I heard a quote recently, which was kind of, it was something along the lines of like some guy who had run a marathon wasn't it was like, I didn't run, you know, a marathon. I ran 26 miles. I ran one mile 26 times is what he said. And it's like, you kinda gotta think that. Cause I think a lot of people get shut down when they think about like, oh, I w I just want to be on stage headlining Coachella. And then you're like, well, how am I going to get there though? And then all of a sudden, you don't put yourself out there as opposed to like, let me just put one song out and see what happens. And then next month we'll do it again.