Interview with Kiran+Nivi

Hello! It is Adam and welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to chat with twin sisters, Kiran, and Navy over zoom video. Karen and Navy are fraternal twins born in the Netherlands. Then they moved to New York city from about age one to six, and then to San Diego and live in San Diego now and grew up in the same exact part of San Diego that I grew up and it was wild. I knew at high school, they went to middle school. They went to it's just so funny to have all the places in San Diego. 3 (2m 9s): They're in the same spot that myself, my wife all grew up. Both sisters started singing at a very early age. Their mom and dad attended an Indian church, every single Sunday. And one of the people in the church asked their mom to have the two girls learn a song and singing at church and they did, and just absolutely crushed it. That's when they realized they can sing very well. And not only that together, they can sing well together. They joined chorus and choir learn piano. Growing up, wrote their first song in high school. We hear about that. The song's called move on. They're writing original material all while posting covers onto YouTube and Facebook eventually tick-tock and Instagram, but that wasn't until 2020, when they're both attending college, they talk about the success of their Royal and the serpent cover. 3 (3m 4s): And then the massive viral moment they had with the Jason Derulo song and actually all about the new song. They just released called one last buy, which also went viral on Tik TOK. You can watch the interview with Kiran and Navy on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It would be awesome if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and TechTalk at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, apple music, Google podcasts, it would be awesome if you follow us there as well, and hook us up with a five star review, 4 (3m 41s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 3 (3m 47s): We're bringing it backwards with Kiran and Navy. Hello. 5 (3m 52s): Hi, 3 (3m 53s): How are you? 5 (3m 54s): We're good. How are you 3 (3m 56s): Doing well? I'm doing well. My name is Adam, and this is the podcast about the both of you and your journey in music. And of course the success that you've had a on Tik TOK and the new song you released. 5 (4m 9s): Yeah, for sure. Thank you for having us. 3 (4m 11s): Of course, of course. So you're obviously you're fraternal twins. Yeah. Okay. Well, where were you guys born and raised? 5 (4m 21s): So we were born in another lens and then we went to move to New York for about like two years. And then we're then we moved to San Diego since first grade. 3 (4m 31s): Okay. You guys are in San Diego now? Yeah, that's so cool. I was born and raised in San Diego as well. 5 (4m 36s): Oh, okay. 3 (4m 37s): Yeah. So I'm recently moved to, to Tennessee, to Nashville area, but I've spent a majority of my life in San Diego. What part of San Diego are you guys in? 5 (4m 48s): We're part of Rancho Penasquitos 3 (4m 52s): I grew up funny. Oh my gosh. 5 (4m 56s): Oh, wow. 3 (4m 57s): It's crazy. I'm not going to out your school, but maybe I could ask you at the end because we probably went to the same exact high school or what are you guys in high school and now, or no, 5 (5m 7s): We graduated from college last year. 3 (5m 9s): Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I'm getting my ages, but well then forget it. So did you guys go to Mount Carmel high school? 5 (5m 14s): We went to Westview 3 (5m 16s): The last few. Okay. So that school was being built when I was in school. So when I was graduating, they put, I think my senior year is the first year that they opened up Westview. That's so funny. 5 (5m 28s): Oh, wow. 3 (5m 29s): Yeah, I know I'm old. That's so cool though. Okay. So you're born in the Netherlands and you're there until we are to 5 (5m 38s): Just, I think we were maybe one or two years. I don't really remember how long we were there, but yeah, we were born there. 3 (5m 44s): That's for your parents' job. 5 (5m 46s): Yeah. 3 (5m 47s): Okay. And then you're then you guys moved to New York. 5 (5m 50s): Yeah. 3 (5m 50s): And you were there and how, I'm sorry. I've confused myself there, there until 5 (5m 54s): 2, 3, 5 kindergarten 3 (5m 58s): Until first grade. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. So do you remember New York at all? 5 (6m 2s): A little bit. Yeah. I just remember like having snowball fights, but that's about it. 3 (6m 7s): Okay. Do you remember what part of New York you lived in 5 (6m 10s): Tarrytown. 3 (6m 12s): Okay. I'm not, I'm not familiar, but I know San Diego. So then you go to San Diego and do you move to Rancho Penasquitos. Is that where you, you guys were grew up from, from there on out? 5 (6m 22s): Yeah. Okay. 3 (6m 24s): Wow. That's so fascinating. That's so crazy that you grew up in Rancho Penasquitos that's amazing. Well, how did you both get into music then? 5 (6m 32s): Well, I mean, so, I mean, we started learning like Indian classical music and young age, but it, like, it was all kind of like random, like in New York, like our parents would go to an Indian church, like every Thursdays. And so the hosts, like, basically we, when we were children, like, we couldn't speak like other kids, like we didn't make normal noises or like, sounds like other kids. So, so my parents took us to a speech therapist, but like, it wasn't really working out. And so then basically when my parents went to this Indian church, like every weekend, the host of the place asks like my mom, why don't you teach him like an Indian devotional song so they can sing like the next week. 5 (7m 18s): And then my mom was like shocked because I mean, he, she obviously had no hope because we weren't like making sounds or anything. So how can we sing? But I mean, her mom had faith and taught us our first song and we sing it with perfect pitch and rhythm looks like, like what I hear from my parents the next week. And yeah, that was, that started our journey. Like they took us to lessons and all of that, but yeah. And we started speaking like in a few months after. 3 (7m 46s): Oh really? So if it helped with your, your speech. 5 (7m 50s): Yeah. So, I mean, technically music is like a miracle in our life. Yeah. 3 (7m 55s): That's so incredible. Wow. Okay. You had perfect pitch right away. Is that something that you guys can both still here? Like, do you know, can you hear some like, ah, that's not a key? 5 (8m 5s): No, you don't have perfect pitch. 3 (8m 9s): You just happened to be very good from a very early age, 5 (8m 13s): I guess. Yeah. 3 (8m 15s): That's cool. So from there, like we got put in singing lessons and tell me what kind of progress is next. Are you in theater? Musical theater course acquired all that through school, 5 (8m 26s): Like Indian classical music. And then after that, we just like started learning like opera, opera lessons in when we were in middle school. And then like in middle school, we started like hearing like that was the first time we even heard of pop music. Like, because all our friends would talk about it and it would be playing on the radio and like in school and stuff. So that's when we would hear a lot of songs. So we just like learned pop music by ear training for that. But yeah, so we just like developed and started just singing a bunch of songs and yeah, I guess, and then we started posting a lot on Tik TOK and 3 (9m 7s): Yeah. It changed everything. 5 (9m 10s): Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. 3 (9m 11s): Wow. Well to rewind a bit here, do you, were you both in the same classes growing up? Like I moved to there wasn't very many twins when I was going to school in high school and stuff and I moved to Nashville and there's a lot in my neighborhood. And I'm just curious, were you both in the same classes growing up? Did you stay together kind of as a, as a pack or did your parents split you apart? 5 (9m 32s): They actually split us apart. They like, we should have like our own friend group and everything. So we were not in the same classes, like every, 3 (9m 38s): Oh, Ray. Did that work out for you both or would you just always come back together? 5 (9m 42s): It actually worked out. I mean, we would just meet each other, like after school ends, but like during school we're just, we don't really meet each other. We're just like with our own friends 3 (9m 51s): Really. Okay. And like with like activities, like singing and stuff, was that something that you all did together? Like both of you 5 (10m 1s): We did together, like since day one, so. 3 (10m 3s): Okay. So that never changed. Yeah. What about piano lessons? Anything like that? Did you, were you in any of those types of classes? 5 (10m 11s): Yeah, we started learning piano, like, and I think around some, sometime in elementary school. 3 (10m 17s): How long did you stick with it? 5 (10m 19s): Until like the start of high school? Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. 3 (10m 24s): I'm really both of you. And then you both stop at the same time. 5 (10m 27s): Yeah. Yeah. 3 (10m 30s): That's funny. Okay. And with that, you said middle school is when you started learning pop songs or you just kind of pick those up on your own? 5 (10m 37s): Yeah, kind of just, I mean, our friends would be like one direction fans that was like the era in middle school and high school. My friends were like VTS fans. I mean, they were just like talking about all these artists and like being high to heart fans and we would just be like, okay. And if you just take a listen and that's kind of how it started, 3 (10m 55s): But that was not something you guys would hear in your household. That was mainly traditional Indian music. 5 (10m 59s): Yeah. It was mainly like Indian music. Okay. 3 (11m 3s): And when you would like, like, were your parents supportive of what you guys were doing as far as wanting to pursue music and singing and all of that? 5 (11m 10s): Yeah. I mean from day one they've been like supporting us. So, I mean, we're just grateful to have parents that just like, you know, follow, like they're just support our dreams and everything, so, yeah. 3 (11m 22s): Yeah. That's cool. That is so cool. And with like in middle school, when you were learning or hearing these pop songs and learning these pop songs, were you also in the chorus, like performing them at all or no, 5 (11m 33s): We were inquired, I think, yeah, a couple, I think in middle school and in a bit of high school. So that did help too, but it was mainly through ear. Like we'd just hear the radio and just like 3 (11m 44s): Sing along, 5 (11m 45s): Sing along basically. 3 (11m 46s): Okay. And then we're like friends of yours. Did they know that you guys were, they like, oh my gosh, you know, you two can really sing well, like it's cool that you sync together. Like, was that kind of a thing that you did? 5 (11m 57s): Yeah, it was a thing like in high school, like our whole year would they just think singing is so cool. And I guess you guys, you just get popular because of the fact that you saying. Yeah. But like we used to sing in the pep rallies and stuff like that, so yeah. That did help get a lot of friends, but yeah. 3 (12m 14s): That's cool. Cause yeah, I don't, I don't remember having that same experience when I was going to school, you know, a hundred years ago. Ma did you guys go to Mesa Verde? Yeah. Okay. Gosh, this is so cool. Okay. And then, so high school, you, but never like writing your own songs, was it always just kind of doing cover songs? 5 (12m 36s): Yeah, we, we were just doing a lot of cover songs and then it was like mainly like senior or junior year of high school where we like wrote our first song. 3 (12m 45s): Okay. What made you guys decide to say I'm going to S we should start writing our own music. 5 (12m 50s): I think it was like really random. I think it was a random moment. Navy Navy was just learning like production and stuff like that. And we were just playing around and then I think we just started composing. Yeah. 3 (13m 2s): Really. Would you, okay, so maybe you were learning production. What was that a class you could take it in high school or was it something you were just interested in 5 (13m 9s): Learning from YouTube? 3 (13m 10s): Really? What drew you to that? 5 (13m 13s): I don't know. I mean, I guess I was like a need because like, for our covers, like we want to, if you want to post videos, like on YouTube and stuff, we just wanted to like, do like good instrumentals and stuff, like record your vocals and needs to go. So I had to learn all of that and then I gradually went to production. 3 (13m 28s): Okay. And were you guys posting your videos on YouTube? Like where you doing covers at this point? 5 (13m 33s): Yeah. Yeah. Like we started with Facebook and then we were posting like mashups and covers and YouTube. Yeah. 3 (13m 41s): And did it like from there, is that where you started to kind of build a fan base or did it all kind of happen with 5 (13m 49s): Yeah, like, or like, like a small thing? I wouldn't say it's like really like, you know, really big, but I think it was like the ground base of our, like we started trying to building up, but I think where it started to really like, accelerate was from like Instagram and Tik TOK. 3 (14m 4s): Okay. Okay. And then you went from writing that own song. Did you ever show anyone in these originals that you were doing? Where'd you put those up on YouTube? 5 (14m 12s): So we did post, like our first song was called move on and we did post like a bit of it. We did post like a version of it on Spotify and YouTube, but I obviously don't have anyone listen to it. Like don't 3 (14m 26s): Okay. Well it's on your Spotify. I was curious. So that was something that you put out when you were still in high school? 5 (14m 31s): Yeah. 3 (14m 32s): Oh, that's cool. And with going from there, like, was that, were you nervous putting that out or, I mean, it sounds like you don't want anyone to go find it, but like you put it out at one point. 5 (14m 43s): I mean, yeah, it was actually kind of random. I didn't even know what Spotify was at that time. So I was like, wait, is this where you release music? And I'm like, I was just like, okay, let's just post it. And I just did it through CD baby. 3 (14m 53s): Oh, sure. Okay. 5 (14m 54s): Really like low key release, basically. We just tried it out to see how it works. 3 (15m 1s): Nice. And from, from high school, do you go, where do you guys go to college? I isn't locally in San Diego. 5 (15m 7s): UC Irvine. 3 (15m 8s): Oh, okay. So where are you commuted up to UC Irvine. Back 5 (15m 12s): In the dorms. 3 (15m 13s): Okay. You stay in the dorms, you live together? 5 (15m 15s): Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 3 (15m 18s): Was that, well, you obviously lived together at home, but like kind of splitting it off. And your two friend groups, did you note that you wanted to go to school together? Was that always the plan? 5 (15m 26s): Yeah, I think like when it came to college and we were already like having this mindset to take music as a career, like we were like, we already decided on that, so we like sing together. So it would make more sense if we were together. 3 (15m 39s): Sure. Sure. And when did you, did you apply to UC Irvine for like their music program? 5 (15m 46s): Yeah, I did. So I basically did a double major in music and psychology. 3 (15m 50s): Okay. 5 (15m 51s): Yeah. And I did music in business economics. 3 (15m 54s): Oh, interesting. Okay. And was that something you had an audition for or based off of your sat scores or your, your grades in high school? You're able to get in without the stream for the music program? 5 (16m 5s): Definitely music. We auditioned. 3 (16m 8s): Okay. Object. Did you audition together? 5 (16m 11s): No. No, it was separate. Yeah. 3 (16m 14s): Okay. What did you guys do? Well, who sang what? 5 (16m 17s): I think like, I mean, it was like all opera pieces, so like, I just think like, I dunno like this aria. Yeah. I sing a French aria, I think, or something. Yeah. 3 (16m 27s): Okay. And did you, did you go into the opera program there or was it just one piece of what you learned? 5 (16m 34s): Yeah, that was just, we like picked up the voice major of the music. So like the voice major is opera, but then there's like a bunch of classes with like music theory and like we had a class learning about the Beatles and stuff like that, so, yeah. 3 (16m 47s): Awesome. Awesome. From, from that class, did you like, were you continuing to write your own songs or did it stop with a move on? 5 (16m 56s): We were continuing to, I think the next song we wrote was real friend, which is also 3 (17m 2s): On Spotify as well. 5 (17m 3s): That was a bit more like professionally. Like we kind of went professional. We had a producer in LA produce it and like, yeah. So, 3 (17m 12s): So at this point you wanted to pursue a career as artists, like you were going to school for singing, you were writing songs, you obviously met a producer in LA and we're really kind of going for it. 5 (17m 23s): Yeah, pretty much. 3 (17m 24s): How did you find this producer? Was this something that you just like, were they working at the studio? 5 (17m 28s): One of our managers, like we had a manager in San Diego, so he kind of just like put us in touch. 3 (17m 34s): Okay. How'd you get the manager in San Diego? 5 (17m 37s): So that was like, I think he was like in San Diego, he was known for like getting private auditions for America's got talent, American idol and all of these shows. So we just came to know about him and we try it out. We just wanted to try out to audition for like one of these shows. So that's how we know him. 3 (17m 55s): Did you ever audition for America's side talent or? 5 (17m 58s): Yeah, we did audition for America's got talent, but like we never got it. 3 (18m 2s): Okay. Who cares? What you have going on now? So then you finished school, like when does it, when do you start? We're pushing to tick tock in 2020 when the lockdown happened? 5 (18m 15s): Yeah, literally like at 2020. And that was actually when like tech talk, it wasn't even like a thing. So that's like, I found tank-top random. I just like went with scrolling in my app store and I just found, take talk and I'm like, wait, what is this? And I just clicked on it. And I just saw like a bunch of videos and I'm like, wait, why can't we just post it? I just post we've just posted our first video when we were in our dorm. And that was like, you posted a first date. What was the song? If I can have you by Sean Mendez? Oh yeah, that was, yeah. And I think it got like a thousand likes overnight and we were just freaking out about it because we've never gotten that before, so yeah. 3 (18m 54s): Yeah. Especially with the new app that you didn't, that wasn't really happening quite yet. I mean, it was musically and then it became tick tock, tick tock really, really went nuts when everyone was stuck inside during the pandemic. 5 (19m 8s): Yeah. 3 (19m 9s): So you had downloaded it and started doing it while you were still at school and the dorms? 5 (19m 14s): Yeah. 3 (19m 15s): Okay. And then what year was that? 2019 then 5 (19m 18s): It was a 3 (19m 18s): 20, 20, 20, 20. Okay. So you guys were at college in the dorms when, when everything shut down, what was that like? 5 (19m 26s): That was, I mean, honestly the first news I would get like would be like the finals are online and stuff. So it was just like, okay, thanks. Cause like I don't have to study hard, but yeah, it was weird. Cause like we really liked the last two years of college we were at home. Yeah. So we really never had, like, we never went through the college experience fully. Like we're actually supposed to sing in a singing show in like in the college the next year. But because of the pandemic, everything was just like not happening. So yeah, it was, it was just different because we were at home, but yeah, other than that and our graduation was also online. Yeah. 3 (20m 5s): Oh, that's fine. That's such a bummer, like to go through, you know, get into college. You're good. You're living in the dorms kind of experience the college life and then, okay, sorry, this pandemic happens. You got to move home and then you graduate and it's got to do it on the computer. Like you just put your cap and gown on and S you know, stand there and give a thumbs up. Sorry. Okay. So when you, the first video you did gets a thousand likes on Tik TOK. Yeah. And did it progressively just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger? Obviously you have the one 5 (20m 39s): We like motivated us to like, do more videos. So we just like did the one next, like the next day we posted another one and it gradually started increasing. Yeah. 3 (20m 51s): W aside from the Jason drill video was the next, what was the one prior to that? Or was there one part of that that like went crazy and you were like, oh my gosh. And then that one just exceeded, obviously 5 (21m 2s): I think it was the cover of overwhelmed by Royal and the serpent's first biggest. 3 (21m 9s): Oh, that one has millions of streams. I mean, millions of plays on, on Tik TOK as well. 5 (21m 14s): Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So we just added this Indian, so fetch calls, firearms in it, just because we thought it would be cool to add it in. Yeah. Just random idea we had. And obviously we didn't really, like, I thought it was just not going to go well, cause like, people don't know what this is and I don't know what they're going to save, but surprisingly, it went viral and people were like, all the comments were just talking about the Indian solfege part in there. Like, I don't know what that is, but keep doing it and stuff like that. So that was cool to see. 3 (21m 45s): Yeah. But before that, had you ever tried to do anything like that with a song or was it mainly just straight cover of the, whatever it was? 5 (21m 53s): Yeah, it was just mainly like a normal covers, but we never, this was like the first time we tried that out 3 (21m 58s): And obviously it works. So then you're like, oh my gosh. And what was that moment? Like you just wake up in the morning and you see your phone has like it's dead because it had so many notifications overnight. 5 (22m 8s): Yeah. Actually that one was a bit like, has like, we just posted it. And actually when we posted it, like in the first hour, it wasn't really going like that. Well, when it went in the next day, when I woke up in the morning, it was like suddenly like 400 K likes. It just like dumped. And I'm not sure how that happened till today that happened in the, I was like that, that was like one of our first big ones so that we were like freaking out. 3 (22m 34s): Oh yeah. Wow. And then how many, how much later was the next one that does even more doubles? It pretty much, right. 5 (22m 41s): Yeah. I mean, that was like the hopelessly devoted one was our biggest one. And that one, yeah, it was, it was just like an instant thing that worked out 3 (22m 52s): When you have a massive moment like that. Is that something that you wanted to try to follow up right away or is it just, you just kind of sink in the moment of it or are you like, okay, now I've got to do another video. That's kind of be similar to that because it worked that time or like, what is your thought process when that, when that happens? 5 (23m 9s): Yeah. I think at first we sink it in and then we, okay, what are we doing that like, that's the next thing that we'd always think about is like, okay, what's the next video we should do so we can like, you know, keep getting the same thing. 3 (23m 23s): Right, right. 5 (23m 25s): And yeah, as you said, yeah. It is like doing the similar thing in that, in that time, like it did work, like doing the same thing that kind of worked. 3 (23m 33s): Do you feel like it's changed now? Like, is the algorithm changed at all 5 (23m 37s): Now? It's definitely a lot changed. I think a lot of people, like you kind of have to experiment and do new stuff. It's not like the same thing over and over again. I think like you kind of have to find your new niche because I think like Tik TOK is I keep changing. There's like a trend, like almost every week. Right. It's like really changing. And like, you just have to like adapt to it and like do new things every time. 3 (24m 1s): And were you choosing songs based off what was happening or what was popular on Tik TOK or was it just chosen? Because I liked that wrote on the serpent song. I liked the whatever song. 5 (24m 12s): Yeah. We picked overwhelmed. Cause it was like a trend. We normally pick songs that like I see in my five P or any idea like, oh, this is cool. Maybe let's try it out in our way. But like most of the inspirations come from the FIP. 3 (24m 26s): Okay. And once you have a video like that, is it, I mean, what are the followers are just coming, right. I mean, you get the video hits and you get 400,000 likes and then what it goes from, like, what is your following going from? Like something to like hundreds of thousands. Just overnight. 5 (24m 43s): Pretty much. Yeah. 3 (24m 45s): That's so wild. 5 (24m 47s): Yeah. 3 (24m 48s): And what are people from like industry people like, Hey, like, you know, reaching out to you at this point or knocking on the door, trying to figure out, you know, what's going on with these, these two twin sisters that are killing it on Tik TOK. 5 (25m 1s): Yeah. We've been getting, I mean, like, especially at that time we got a lot of emails and like DMS and stuff like that. And like even like record label, people started like damning us and stuff. So it was, it was like, wow, 3 (25m 15s): Just like, 5 (25m 17s): I was just surprising that tick talk can really like, like your videos are shown to like all the industry people and stuff. So it was cool. 3 (25m 26s): I mean, it's such a cool platform that everyone is kind of on the same level. Right. I mean, when it comes to that for you page, like if I post something right now, maybe it won't be served to as many people because I don't have a track record of making a video that makes, that does something, but essentially it could land and then people could like it and it could, it could do something. 5 (25m 46s): Yeah. 3 (25m 47s): Is there, do you approach Tik TOK differently now than you did one? Those two videos hit? 5 (25m 53s): Yeah, definitely. If we do. I mean, like, as Navy said, as the trends keep changing it as take talk keeps changing, you kind of like, just adapt to it. But I guess now it's like we're focusing on, on more of original songs. So we're just like trying out like all our songs. And like, I think, I think the best part is you can just test it out with your audience and see if they like it. And like the, like now people like a lot of artists like are found because of that. They, it transfers to like Spotify streams and like they get on all the charts and stuff. So that's been great to see like how take talk has a big impact right now. 3 (26m 33s): Yeah. And is it difficult to get people from your tick-tock account then to your Spotify to stream your song? 5 (26m 41s): I think if they really like it, like you don't really have to try to make, to get them to Spotify, like they're going to, they're going to stream it. So it's like, they feel like they're gonna do it. 3 (26m 53s): They're going to do it with like, going from doing mainly covers are all covers. I don't take talk. And then putting out your first original piece of music, original song, what was that like? Was that a nerve nervous experience or were you not sure how your fans or people would react to it? 5 (27m 11s): Yeah, actually the first original song we posted was one last by and that actually got viral. Like the first time we posted it and 3 (27m 19s): That worked out. Yeah. 5 (27m 22s): Yeah. It was just surprising because we were doing covers all the time and there's always this transition where it's like so hard to trans transitioned to original songs for like a lot of artists. So we were just trying to like try that out, but yeah, it was like surprising that people liked it off the bat and yeah. 3 (27m 44s): What'd you teasing it all like, oh, we got a new song. We have a song that's like original coming out. Like how did you promote it coming out? Or was it just here's this, our song that's original and just put it up as one video. 5 (27m 57s): So actually Nivi took a video of me, like just singing over my recorded version of it. And we were just like writing the story of what the song was about and people maybe connecting with that. 3 (28m 9s): Okay. Well tell, tell me what the song is about and how did it come about writing it and putting it out and all of that? 5 (28m 15s): Yeah. So basically in 20 20, 1 of our cousins passed away through brain seizure and like, she was going through a lot of stress, but she never shared it with like anyone or her family members or like even her brother. It was just shocking to hear, like after the fact that she was going through a lot and we all never knew about it. So that's what this song is about. Like the main line of it is could I have one more chance to like tell you it's always okay to share your pain. That's like the main part of the song, like, you know, we kind of forget to share like what we're going through with the people who really care about us and care for us. 5 (28m 55s): So, yeah, 3 (28m 57s): That's a special song. I mean, was that like presenting that to, you said it was your cousin, like your aunt or uncle was, was that something that was difficult to do or were they happy to hear it? Like, like tell me about that. 5 (29m 11s): Yeah. So her brother was happy to hear the song and like basically he said that the lyrics really exemplify what I'm feeling right now. Like nearly every word. And I was like, oh wow. You know, it just meant a lot that it like it related to them, especially since they went, they were going through it. Yeah. 3 (29m 29s): Yeah. Wow. And then was the song recorded in LA again with a producer? Or how did how'd you guys put it together? 5 (29m 35s): Yeah, so we worked with a producer in LA and we actually recorded our vocals at home. Like we have like a homestead, so we recorded our vocals and yeah. Just had like a mix and master engineer familiar and too. And yeah. 3 (29m 50s): Did you do this remotely then when you do your vocals from home? Was it? 5 (29m 54s): Yeah, we did our vocals from home. Yeah. And like, we just like met with a producer in person for like production and stuff. 3 (30m 2s): Okay. And what about more songs? Do you have any more coming out soon? 5 (30m 6s): Yeah, that's what we're working on. And we're just like having a lot of sessions right now with a lot of songwriters and producers from LA. So yeah, just like again, like, you know, posted on take talk and see what they feel. 3 (30m 19s): Yeah. That's so cool. It's such a, like, not to say that your fans are a, like a, like a focus group, but it is cool to see, like you can put something up there and if it doesn't do well at all, you're like, well, don't have to, you know, maybe don't continue, you know, trying to put a lot effort in this. Let's just move on to the next thing. 5 (30m 38s): Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. 3 (30m 40s): That's cool. Very, very cool. I appreciate both of your time today. Thank you so much. It's so awesome. That you're from the same part of San Diego that I though random. I have one more quick question. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. 5 (30m 55s): You know, I mean, if it's like specifically with tick talk, like just post, whatever you feel like. And I think being open-minded is like the most important thing with social media. So, I mean, especially now, since everything is about social media, just be open to post anything.