Interview with Ninet Tayeb

Hello! It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Nanette Tayeb over zoom video. The net was born and raised in Israel, and she talks about how she got into music, started singing and performing at a very, very early age. She talked about putting out her first record. She actually got to work with an artist that she looked up to growing up and a, this artist helped her write a record and put out a record and did very, very well, but it was definitely more of a bright record. Definitely more pop influenced, not really sounding like she would want her record to sound like, but again, the album did awesome. 4 (1m 42s): When she released her second record, she went exactly did it, how she wanted to do it. And it was a U-turn and a lot of her fans were shocked and it didn't go over as well as she hoped, but she didn't care because she was doing what she wanted to do. We talked about that second record, the third record she put out in English, her fourth album, she went back to writing Hebrew, and then we talk about the next record paper parachutes, which she wrote and recorded in Israel. But then she moved to Los Angeles. The net also tells us all about her new music coming out, the new music video that features her daughter and a new album as well. You can watch our interview with Nanette on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. 4 (2m 25s): It would be awesome if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and TechTalk at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, apple music, Google podcasts would be awesome. If you follow us there as well, and hook us up with a five-star review, 5 (2m 41s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 4 (2m 47s): We're bringing it backwards with me net Tayeb. 2 (2m 51s): Hello? 4 (2m 52s): How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. How are you? 2 (2m 56s): I'm good. Thank you. 4 (2m 58s): Thank you so much. Thank so much for doing this. I really appreciate it. 2 (3m 1s): Thank you. 4 (3m 3s): Of course. My name is Adam and this podcast about you and your journey in music. And we'll talk about the new music as well. 2 (3m 12s): Perfect. 4 (3m 13s): Sweet, sweet. Awesome. So we always start off by born and raised. Where were you born and raised? 2 (3m 20s): I was born and raised in Israel, the south of Israel. Actually, it's a city called kitty that's Goetz and it's a very small town. And when I was 19, I moved to Tel Aviv. That's the center of Israel and yeah, and I, I lived there for like, I don't know, probably 15 years until I moved to LA traveler. Yeah, no, I mean, I, I live in LA, but I'm here in Israel for work. And then going back to it, like, yeah, it's gonna 4 (3m 58s): Say dark for LA right now. 2 (4m 1s): Yes. It's Israel. 4 (4m 4s): Amazing. Well, what was it like growing up there? 2 (4m 10s): It was, I mean, it was cool. It was kind of cool. No pressure in terms of like, you know, I mean, I come from a very, very small town, so everybody knows everybody and it's like, it's like a really special community. And I was, no, I was, I was like a very like good girl that, you know, not getting into troubles when I was little. 4 (4m 38s): Okay. Not until later in trouble. What about a musical household? I didn't really have some siblings. Is anyone else musical in your house? Is your parents musical at all? 2 (4m 52s): And my sisters were five brothers and sisters and my two sisters, my, my young sisters. I mean, they're not musicians or anything, but when we were young, we used to just like sing and dance all day. And I'm the only one who took it to the next level. And yeah. Yeah. So I'm the only one from my family, but it's in our hearts, you know, we were born and raised in to the music, all kinds of music, by the way, it was like, for me, it was like rock music. But also, I mean, when I was 14, I used to sing in front of the mirror with like a, with like a deodorant as a microphone. 2 (5m 36s): Yeah. For real, I kid you not, I was like every day after school, that's what I used to do. And I used to listen to Mariah and we used to, they taught me how to sing. But then when I grew up, I mean like 16, 17, I was listening to, you know, the grunge scene, Pearl jam and Ivana. And it'd be the nineties. I'm still stuck in the nineties actually. Yeah. So it's like, it's a mixture of a lot of things and the middle Eastern, you know, vibe, I think you can hear it. And my previous album, you can hear yeah. Heavy listen. 4 (6m 14s): Yeah. I've actually went through and listened to all your records starting with the first one. Yeah. So I was going to ask you some questions about that too. Cause it's, your sound has changed quite a bit from that first album 2 (6m 25s): First album. I mean, no, I'm at peace with it, but I was so young and I was, so I actually did what the producer, he, he kind of told me to do. I mean, I was, I was not even on my, I didn't know what I wanted to do, what I wanted to say in terms of like, you know, my musical theater. I don't know. I just, I wanted to say something and I didn't know what it is. So we did this album and I'm like, oh, I like this album, but I was so young. 2 (7m 5s): So I'm like, okay, let's see what will happen. And it was a big, big success in Israel, but I didn't like it. Yeah. I didn't like it. So I took, I took a term like a really like, as you can, as you can hear it 4 (7m 20s): Here. Yeah. And the next record quite. Yeah. Quite a difference. Well, before we get to this album or these albums, I don't know if you mind talking about them at all, but I wanna know. I wanna know. How did you originally get into music? I mean, you talked about having influences Whitney Houston MyCare and then into the grunge scene. But prior to that, like what was the first instrument you learned? Were you always singing? Did you play piano? 2 (7m 43s): I always singing was my, my kind of only instrument. And then actually I started playing guitar. Thanks to Jeff Buckley. 4 (7m 55s): Really? 2 (7m 56s): Yeah. 4 (7m 57s): Just hearing his records. 2 (7m 59s): Yeah. Here in him. I mean, he actually, he's responsible for my, for my like huge change in music. It was not a change. It was in me, but the courage to do what I wanted to do, like from, you know, from the bottom of my heart kind of thing. And you know, in Israel, I mean, I was well known as whatever and, and everyone expected me to do something, but I did the exact opposite. That's why I told you earlier that I've become a, become a bad girl later, later on, but it was not really a bad girl. 2 (8m 40s): I just wanted to listen to my heart and do whatever the fuck I want to do. And, and it took wow. A lot actually only now, like in the last year, I can say in Israel, I'm talking about these Israeli market. I can say that they finally understand what I'm saying. 4 (8m 59s): Wow. Really? So you've done like five albums, right? 2 (9m 3s): Yeah. 4 (9m 4s): Wow. Okay. 2 (9m 5s): Yeah. A lot of patients 4 (9m 7s): I was going to say, 2 (9m 9s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jeff was the one that taught me, actually taught me how to write, how to play. I mean, I, I started playing guitar when I was 25. Yeah. That's that's me. 4 (9m 28s): Well, did you have those other, like how many records did you have out by the time you started playing guitar? 2 (9m 36s): Only two. Okay. 4 (9m 38s): Okay. So the first two, you didn't play guitar at this point yet? 2 (9m 41s): I started playing on the second one, but it was like, really? I don't think I can call it play. Like, it was just like the base stuff, you know? Yeah. It was very, very basic. I, I literally actually started to play, it was my, my fourth album. It's, it's an, it's an Hebrew album. And then the fifth one was like, totally. And now it's like, I'm, I'm like, man. Yeah. Yeah. 4 (10m 13s): Well, I was just curious because that second record is the one that we were saying earlier is the one that you kind of made a 180 on and that's a really guitar driven record. 1 (10m 22s): This episode is brought to you by grant Thornton. Forget what you think you know about audit tax and advisory firms. 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When you go early and stay late, get 24 7 traffic updates at 1 8, 7, 7 base ban@thembtaontwitterorbaybridge.com. 4 (11m 37s): It wasn't true. That was around the same time that you started to learn. But 2 (11m 40s): I started to learn that around that time, but I don't think I was good enough to record my playing and then album. That's going to stay forever and I don't want, 4 (11m 53s): You knew what you wanted it to sound like. 2 (11m 55s): Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 4 (11m 59s): Okay. Cause you 2 (11m 59s): Actually did the second album. I did it with a band called they're. They're like the most amazing musicians in Israel and worldwide. Yeah. 4 (12m 19s): And they have like puppets. Is that the one I saw is that different? 2 (12m 25s): Okay. 4 (12m 25s): Sorry. Go ahead. 2 (12m 27s): The there, yeah, it's a thing here in Israel. The puppet, the name of the puppet is red or 4 (12m 35s): Yeah, 2 (12m 36s): He's a very good friend of mine. 4 (12m 39s): He's got a cool record. I listened to that one too on, I was listening to that on Spotify as well. 2 (12m 43s): Yeah. Yeah. What did you listen to tell me? What did you okay. Now, what did you like the most, 4 (12m 50s): As far as your music? 2 (12m 53s): Yeah, 4 (12m 54s): I liked the first record you did in English, which I think was the third album. I mean, I liked the newest one to the third one to me. 2 (13m 4s): Sympathetic nervous system. 4 (13m 6s): Yes. Yes. It had a cool, like, just like a totally different like indie sound to it that I, I really connected with. And I really liked the first, I mean, the other records you do the first two ones that were in Hebrew. Like, I mean, I couldn't understand what you're saying, but because I don't speak the language, but the songs in the melodies are cool and the riffs and the pieces to it. But I feel like the S that, that third one, when I got to that one, and I could understand the words and then, and how the songs kind of came together that way. But the sound of the record too, even if I didn't understand the lyrics, I really liked that third record 2 (13m 42s): And the new 4 (13m 42s): One and the new one, the newest one that you put out a pair of, what's it called? A parachute shape, paper parachute. I liked that wreck. I mean, all your stuff is cool for sure. And even the new one, the new, the newest song that you just released as well. I liked that one a lot too. 2 (13m 57s): Thank you. Who is that? Yeah, yeah, 4 (13m 59s): Yeah. But I like the third. I think that third album, ah, what's it called? I I'd have to look 2 (14m 5s): Nervous system. 4 (14m 6s): Yeah. But what's the song. I think it's like the flow it's like, it's like IMC or something. 2 (14m 11s): Oh, I see 4 (14m 12s): You. I see you that one's 2 (14m 15s): Yeah. You did your homework, Adam. I'm so impressed. 4 (14m 19s): Of course. I'm a fan. I dig it. 2 (14m 21s): I think. Good. I'm so happy. Thank you. 4 (14m 24s): Well, real quick. So you, this record, the first record you put out, I mean, from what I read, it obviously did really well. And then you, when you change your sound, that kind of change stuff for you, as far as your fan base went, 2 (14m 38s): Everything that 4 (14m 39s): Changed everything. But before you wrote that second record and going into that first record, where you, because you've done a lot of other stuff in the entertainment industry, as far as like acting in that world, was that something that kind of with the music or what are you doing? The music thing you do? Like, how do you get into doing that first record in like the way it was presented in sounds. And it does really well. And like, how did that kind of happen first? 2 (15m 6s): It was just like, it happened, you know, I mean, with the, the, the one that I've worked with, he's actually, he was my favorite musician when I was a teenage. Yeah. Yeah. It was like in the rock scene, he was like, really cool. And I got the chance to work with him. And I was so like, I was so thankful and, and he's a really, really, he's like super talented guy. We didn't always agree about stuff I might say, but I just let it happen. 2 (15m 52s): You know? And then the most thing, like the most important thing for me was always music. I used to play also. I am, I am like playing, you know, but only in like, because the music is so important to me and I to invest everything in my music and concerts and you know, it's like, it's a whole thing. So the project that I'm picking for acting, it's like, I'm very, very picky. It has to be something that is like that. I feel like I can tell the story of the character. Actually. The last thing I was playing in at it was Netflix. 2 (16m 32s): I think it's still there. Any one on can a serious one. The first place, like the, the best series. I was like, whoa, that's cool. 4 (16m 44s): Yeah. 2 (16m 45s): We were in shock. Like totally. Oh my God. I'm sorry. I hear a baby. 4 (16m 52s): That's okay, 2 (16m 54s): Baby. Yeah, me too. 4 (16m 56s): There you go. It's not your baby crying. 2 (16m 59s): It's not my baby. You know? Do you get that, that you hear a baby cry? No, it's not my baby. And then you absolutely sure. Like you losing it? No, it's not mine. Oh my God. Okay. 4 (17m 15s): Okay. 2 (17m 18s): Thank you. You have two kids. 4 (17m 22s): How 2 (17m 22s): Old are you? 4 (17m 24s): 37 37. 2 (17m 26s): Oh yeah. Almost my age, but wow. 4 (17m 33s): That's funny. Yeah. 2 (17m 36s): Yeah, because men, you know, I mean our age, I mean, I'm a woman and it's, you know, it's different because, because our time is like running out. 4 (17m 46s): You don't, you don't look like you're my age, to be honest. Now I'm serious. There's some people I've run into like, I'm so bad with that though. I'm really bad with 2 (17m 60s): Telling you what 4 (18m 1s): Missing ages. Like I'm always overshooting like a lot just based on my, 2 (18m 6s): Yeah, 4 (18m 6s): Not on you though. I would have undershot you. I would've been like, yeah, she's gotta be like 26, 27. And if I see somebody like, yeah, that's, I'm like that. Person's gotta be 50, 48, 49 in my wife's like that. Person's probably your age. If not 2 (18m 23s): Maybe 4 (18m 25s): Five. And I'm like, Ooh, 2 (18m 27s): My advice don't ever don't ever say what you think about, especially. 4 (18m 33s): Oh, no, no, no. I've never, I never shoot that shot because I know I'm going to miss and I'd be way off. So 2 (18m 38s): It's like saying to a woman that ha how out, like, what month are you? And she's not pregnant. You know, it's the same thing. It's like, it's a disaster. 4 (18m 49s): No, no. I would never go there for sure. For sure. But I know I've met people that I'm like, oh, this guy, this person's got to be a least 10 years older than me. And then I'm like, oh, they're like 34. Like, wait, what? 2 (19m 3s): Wow. No, seriously. I was like a Windsor showing up two kids. You, you like, like 28. I swear to God. I'm like, okay, that's good. 4 (19m 13s): It might be the setting of my, my zoom camera. I don't know. Well, I appreciate that. No, but yeah. So I do have two kids and this is not your child crying. So you wouldn't have to jump up because I know it's, I don't know what time is it there? I'm just curious now. 2 (19m 28s): Yeah. Now it's like almost 9:00 PM. 4 (19m 32s): Okay. Yeah, that is late. So, but I don't want to keep you, I thought it was at least it's 2 (19m 38s): Okay. 4 (19m 39s): All right. Well, okay. So real quick back to the, kind of the acting. Did the acne thing come after you had put out that first record or were you always doing that kind of yeah, 2 (19m 48s): It was like, it was, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was in between. I actually, I, I first did the, the, the first series I was playing at. And then I did the album, the first one, and then I took a long break from like acting, I, I wasn't doing it at all. I didn't do much actually as an actress because I was, I was putting all my energy in the music. Yeah. And, and the latest I did was that series that I told you about it's called when he was flying. It was probably a year. We now we're in 2022, right? 4 (20m 28s): Yeah. Who we are. I 2 (20m 29s): Think it was 20. It was 2017. It was a long time ago. And ever since I never, yeah, I'm just done. I was in LA. I was playing my, my shit and yeah, we're, we're about to release the new album. So every piece of my energy is like going towards this one. 4 (20m 51s): Sure, sure. No, that makes total sense. Okay. Well, okay. So you finally get to work with this, this producer, this, this artist she looked up to, and then your record, what you just, you felt, did you feel like when you're working with this person that you kind of had to take their lead as far as like, were you worried or nervous to like kind of voice your own opinion towards what they're telling you? Cause it sounds like when you finished the record, like sure. You're proud of it and it did awesome, but it wasn't really what you were trying to to say. Right? 2 (21m 22s): Yeah. I mean, I wanted to say so many things, but I was so young. I was 19. Like I was, yeah. I was very, very young. So now I know it was, I just trusted him and I mean, he's a great dude, but I, after a lot of years, I just felt I wanted to do something else. Like something different. That sounds kind of like my second and my third one. But I believe that everything, you know, has a really like pure, solid reason for it to happen. So I believe that I needed to go through this part so I can do the other stuff. 2 (22m 6s): There are songs that I like in this album, but they are songs that I don't actually 9 (22m 12s): Money is the number one cause of stress. And the number two cause of divorce, make your money go further and work harder with a certified financial planner from facet wealth, financial planning used to focus on retirement, but facet helps you with today. You get a dedicated financial planner that guides you through every financial decision inflation, interest rates, stock market changes, home prices. How do you figure it all out? Well, every advisor at facet is a certified financial planner and fiduciary. That's just a fancy way to say they have the best training and they're legally bound to do what's in your best interest. 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See website for details. The voice of the preceding commercial was not the actual voice of the winner. 2 (23m 45s): Okay. 4 (23m 46s): No, it's a good album. It's just the sound that you sound like now. You know what I mean? 2 (23m 50s): Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I sound very young, very childish. I mean, it's not a bad thing, but 4 (23m 58s): I mean, again, I don't understand the lyrics, but, but to me I hear it. It's just a lot more like bright and like poppy. And so now it's more of like a, you know, indie heavier sounds to 2 (24m 13s): Your voice. 4 (24m 14s): Your voice is definitely has that like really cool, like, like grasp, like in certain installs, which you don't really hear in that first record. 2 (24m 22s): Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Everything was so high. I mean, the, the keys were so high and also my voice was not like, like, like it is right now. I mean, you know, I grew up and it changed and it, and it becomes thicker and wider. And then it was like, hi, and like, like sweet and like very, very, and I told the technician, I told him, listen, I don't like the way I sound here, please. Let's just record it late. Let's do something else. You didn't listen to me, but it's okay. I'm at this with it right now. And that's why I'm taking the lead in everything that I do. 2 (25m 5s): Like never, no one can ever tell me what to do. No, you don't want to mess with me. I think you can hear it in the songs as well. 4 (25m 19s): No. Yeah, no, definitely. There's definitely some attitude in the songs, which is cool. I dig it. I'm sick of that. I mean, I don't wanna, you know, dig up the, the, the, the drama and trauma of that record 2 (25m 29s): Around line trauma, but we're 4 (25m 31s): Going from that album and then being like, you know, that really wasn't what I wanted to do and I'm going to do this record. And then like, from what I read, like, you know, 2 (25m 41s): Getting everything. 4 (25m 43s): Yeah. People are just not responsive to it because they were probably expecting the exact same thing you had done before. 2 (25m 48s): Exactly. 4 (25m 49s): So what was that like? Were you like, did I make a mistake or was it, I don't really care because I'm doing what I want to do. 2 (25m 56s): Exactly. I was, so I was so happy. I was so happy. I didn't care about the outcome because I was, so I felt like I was in my element and I mean, I sold, like, I don't know, like almost nothing from the second album. And I was so happy. I was, I was happy because that's what I wanted to do. And I knew that time that it's going to take me a lot, like a lot of patients and, and a lot of work for me to, to, to just try to say something that I really believe in. And I know I have a long way. And I told you that only this year, no last year, I finally, I feel like I'm finally, okay. 2 (26m 43s): Now I can say that I'm, I'm succeeding because it took me a lot of years. Took me almost like 15 years 4 (26m 52s): To get that respect back. You feel like in, in Israel? 2 (26m 56s): Yeah. Yeah. I mean, other people will tell you that I'm too, that I'm too hard on myself, which can be true sometimes, but I don't care. I mean, 4 (27m 9s): Creatives are. 2 (27m 10s): Yeah. Because, you know, I have high expectations for myself and that's why I demand from the others and from people that work with me, but I have like very, very high standards. And, and now I can say that I'm cool. Okay. It's happening. Yeah. 4 (27m 29s): Yeah. Well, from that second album, that the one that kind of shifted for you, and then into the third record, you decided to put your third album out in English. What was the reasoning behind that? 2 (27m 40s): And that was my dream. 4 (27m 41s): Oh 2 (27m 42s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. 4 (27m 47s): And competent to write in English or like, I'm sure you could speak English, but it's just different to maybe, well, yeah, I got you. Tell me what was the difference between going, like translating it or like, what was it? 2 (27m 60s): It was like, I was, I was writing in English because when I was, when I was a child, I had like a lot of notebooks that I used to write lyrics. The people that I love to listen to. So I used to, like, I had like this radio tape in my room and I used to like to put the play and then rewind to just for me to write the lyrics so I can sing with them. And this is how I learned English and at school, of course, but I, I had this dream that I like moving to New York and I'm like, I'm doing my music and I sing what I want to sing in English. And yeah, I still, I mean, I'm living the dream right now actually, which is, which is very, you know, it's not easy to live your dream. 2 (28m 48s): We have two kids, two daughters, and we're like back and forth to Israel and LA and it's fucking, it's insane. 4 (28m 59s): It's 2 (28m 59s): Insane. 4 (29m 0s): Flying with kids alone is a nightmare. I can't imagine doing it on a regular basis. 2 (29m 6s): Oh my God. It's on a regular basis. And it's like, we're like moving from house to house. Like every it's it's it's really it's. It takes a lot. But I think, I mean, that's what I want to do. That's. I mean, I still, I don't know if you talked to me one year from now because I'm fighting, this is insane. 4 (29m 31s): I don't 2 (29m 31s): Know for how long. Yeah. You know, it's not, it's not easy. It's not easy at all. Yeah. Two careers, like, you know, here and, and, and the U S market and it's, and there I'm like, I'm starting all over again, you know? 4 (29m 51s): Yeah. Because in Israel you had a, you have a fan base and people know you and they know your face. I mean, from not only from music, but from TV and everything else you've done, which is probably different when you're in LA. 2 (30m 4s): It's very different. Yeah. But, but I'm cool with that. That's why I moved there because I wanted to start over. I wanted to feel what, you know, like normal artists feel, you know, when they start something and they start, you know, going to shows and like, and I have like small shows and then people like slowly are getting to know you because of your music. And then because of something else, which is, for me, it was very, very important. And that's what what's, what's, what's been happening so far. And yeah. I mean, I have a lot to give that's what I think still. 2 (30m 44s): I mean, I hope so. 4 (30m 47s): Definitely. When you put that third record out in English, had you been to the states or was that just, you just decided to put it out in English and you're still in Israel. And how did your family 2 (31m 1s): Respond 4 (31m 2s): To that? 2 (31m 3s): Actually, I had, like, I recorded this album in Liverpool. I did it with my Crossy. He's a really, really super talented producer. I really wanted his sound. He's he's been working with the Arctic monkeys and a lot of bands that I really, really love. And we got to him and we went to his studio for like a month. We, I took my band with me and w we were just recording for a month, this album. And I'm so proud of this album, really, the sound of this album is so powerful. And I think that's probably my favorite album of the third line. 4 (31m 46s): That's the one 2 (31m 47s): That you love. Yeah. That's why, when you said you loved the third one, I was like, okay, he's one of us. That's. 4 (31m 55s): Yeah. Like I can deal with this guy. 2 (31m 58s): Yeah. I can, I can, I can talk his language and he understand my understand is my anger, my language. So it's cool where 4 (32m 6s): No, I do. I love that record. I think it's such a cool album. And so you, you were still, then you just went to Liverpool to just sit Liverpool or, okay. I was just making sure. So you went there, recorded the record and then just came back to Israel to put it out and, and just play. 2 (32m 24s): I put it out independently and I had no label or like nothing behind me. That's why I think this record, wasn't like what I've expected from it to be. But a lot of people to this day, I talking to me about this album, especially now, because people are going back to my music because of what I'm doing now. So it sounds to them, it sounds like, oh, wow, this is cool. Okay. What has she been doing back then? And then people are starting to talk to me about sympathetic nervous system and the songs. And like, they demand that I sing like, you know, songs from this record, which is really a big, big, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2 (33m 9s): It's, it's, it's a really big deal for me because I was fighting so hard and now, I mean, I just let everything go and I like, okay, I'm just doing whatever I do. And you guys, if you want to join me, so Jeremy, if you don't want him to join me, so get the fuck off. 4 (33m 28s): Exactly. Get out the way. Well, I, I it's. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a timeless album, which says a lot, and I don't think it matters anymore about when a certain album came out or not. I mean, you'll see songs that will come back around and be a new, a hit, or have this moment. Like the first time I can remember recently enough that happening is with that band empire, the sun with they had that walking on a dream song, which was, came on like, oh, wait, no one cared about it until like 2017 or something like that. It was like, no one cared. And then it gets this apple placement. And it's like the biggest song in the world. 2 (34m 8s): It's amazing because, because music is timeless, that's what I've been trying to say. Music is timeless. And you can, I mean, even for me now, I listened to bands from the sixties and seventies, you know, it's, it's like, that's what you love. And, and music has no, it's not getting old. That's what I'm trying to say. Right. And yeah, it's always relevant when you dig the music. 4 (34m 32s): I completely agree. And then with your fourth album, you go back and write your next one in Hebrew again. 2 (34m 38s): Yes. 4 (34m 39s): And was, and, and tell me, what about that? Like, you didn't want to keep, cause then you had another English record, but that was the following one. But so like between having the English record and the two previous ones in Hebrew, like, did you, what was the thought process thought process on going back to record another record in Hebrew? 2 (34m 58s): Yeah. I mean, Hebrew is always, you know, that's my first language, so I'm, I'm forever. I'm gonna, you know, I'm going to continue doing records and Hebrew. That's the place I'm coming from. And I love, of course there's language and I have a lot to say so, yeah. I was like, I was like, okay, now I want to do this. And actually when I was in, in Liverpool, I was writing my next album and Hebrew. 4 (35m 27s): Oh, is that right? 2 (35m 28s): Yeah. When I, while I was recording there since suddenly just the lyrics, there's just like there started to just come to me and Hebrew it's, it's, it's, it's a very, I mean, it has a dark kind of vibe, this album, the Hebrew one, especially towards the end, the, the last song that I'm singing there. I remember when I wrote it, it was in my hotel room in Liverpool and I was alone in my room and I took the guitar and in English, it's, it's called at the end. We all gonna stay. 2 (36m 8s): We're all gonna be alone. Like we're gonna stay on our own, not in a good way. It's really, and I remember writing this song and there was this like drunk guy under the window and he was screaming and I was at the first floor. And when I recorded it to my phone, you can hear that guy in my recordings. Like the, when I recorded the sketch from this song, you can hear like, I'm singing dah and you can hear him screaming. 2 (36m 48s): And it was so beautiful, you know, because I was writing something so, so dark, I don't know why it just came to me and then he's screaming outside and I wanted to leave it on the album, but it didn't. Oh 4 (37m 7s): Yeah. I was going to say, is it there? I have to go back and realist. Yeah. 2 (37m 10s): No, it's not there. Yeah. But I remember it so clearly. Yeah. Yeah. When I was fighting. 4 (37m 20s): Yeah. And then, so when, at what year do you move to LA then? Was it after that record? 2 (37m 27s): Oh yeah, it was after I recorded a paper parachute. I recorded. 4 (37m 33s): Oh, you did? Okay. So you wrote another record in English, in Israel before you ended up starting to go into the United States. 2 (37m 40s): Yeah. And then we, we went, we moved to the U S on 2016 and we released it in the U S also like independently without a record label. Obviously we're just getting there. Yeah. We're doing everything by ourselves. This is crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So 4 (38m 4s): How did you make the decision to then move to LA? 2 (38m 8s): That's something I've always been wanted to do. I mean, not at like New York, actually 4 (38m 14s): New York earlier 2 (38m 17s): New York was my dream. I, I think I still, I mean, I know I'm going to live there. I don't know when, but it's going to happen. And we decided the last minute to move to LA because our manager was like, Hey guys, the music that you guys have been doing the scene is here. It's not New York, New York. It's like kinda more electronic and Jessie. And I'm like, okay. And then a month before we, we left, we changed our mind and we went to LA. 4 (38m 53s): Oh, okay. 2 (38m 55s): Yeah. Yeah. And we're there, you know, again, like it's like back and forth. I can be here in Israel for like six months and then go back to LA and then starting all over again. It's, it's a thing because I'm working here and I'm investing in my own, you know, albums and everything. So I'm working and then going back to build, and then I'm going here to be on stage. And you know, it's like, it's a circle. 4 (39m 24s): So when you come, when you come back to Israel, you probably played a bigger crowds and you could probably be, be more. Yeah. It's more lucrative for you to play there then in LA I would imagine. 2 (39m 35s): Yeah. Well, we just did the Troubadour in LA, which is 4 (39m 41s): Yeah, 2 (39m 43s): Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For us, it was like a really like milestone, like, wow, okay. We got here and it took us a while and it was one of the best shows have ever had in my life. It was actually two days before I got back here to Israel and here I'm like, I'm having like almost every day a show it's big here, but yeah, I like it. And I think my life we're so full in good stuff, which is also a thing that, you know, because I don't think we as human beings, we step, we just stop and say, I love what I do. 2 (40m 31s): And I'm thankful for that. And I have so much, you know, we used to say, oh, I want this. And I want this. And I went there and said, this is not enough. And this is not enough. And you know, sometimes it's like worth, just stop for a second and be grateful for what you already have. I've been working on the spiritual side for like years now. So that's why I'm so calm. Now when I'm talking to you, 4 (40m 57s): Instead of yelling at me, kidding. Well, I did see that you got a chance and I love Steven Wilson. A lot of people, I don't think you give the guy that he likely deserves. I mean, porcupine tree, when I heard the record with the gray face and the guy's opening his eyes. Oh, Cynthia, I think is what it's called. When I heard the album, I was like, this is like one of the coolest bands I've ever heard in my life. Cause it's heavy, it's heavy. And then his voice is just like beautiful. And it has like music guitars that you're like, oh, that kind of game. And then it's like, it gets heavy. 4 (41m 38s): Yeah. 2 (41m 38s): Yeah. Prague that, yeah. That's one of my favorite bands. Yeah. Steve 4 (41m 44s): Cool. Yeah. Black, his eyes. That song is so awesome. 2 (41m 47s): Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, I am so happy. You know, Steven that's 4 (41m 51s): I interviewed him where I used to be on the radio a long time. I mean, for a long time and in California and San Diego in less than, or not Los Angeles, but San Francisco. And it was like, I don't know, 20, Ooh, I don't know. 2008 or nine. I interviewed now he was on tour. He opened his band was opening up for Coheed and Cambria in the United States. And I was so blown away that they were like opening for, because to me, they just sounded like this arena, like rock band. And I, 2 (42m 26s): You know, I'm going to tell him, you said that I 4 (42m 29s): Love his songs. I mean, I listened to that record or I, and I had a chance to interview him. He wouldn't have no clue who I am. I mean, this is like, like I said, 2008 or something, but it was so cool for me to talk to him. I was like, oh my gosh, like, this is the most in, in like not a whole lot of people. I don't think gave him the respect at the time. But yeah, he's such a cool, when I saw that, I watched a couple of YouTube videos of you performing with them. And I was like, oh my gosh, like, this is so awesome. Like how did 2 (42m 55s): Yeah. It was with him. That was actually through the producer that have told you about the first one. 4 (43m 3s): Okay. 2 (43m 4s): Wow. From my first album. Yeah. They have a band together. Maybe, you know them, the band called black field. 4 (43m 12s): No, I don't. I need to look them up. 2 (43m 14s): Yeah. 4 (43m 15s): I knew that he, Steven Wilson was he producer was like a big part of OPEC. Right? He was a bit, yeah. And OPEC is a, it sounds nothing like porcupine tree and a friend of mine was way, way into OPEC. And I'm like, yeah, this is cool. But it's not really my vibe. And then I heard, he's like, well, you should check out his, you know, the guy that does all this is band's called porcupine tree. And I was like, oh my God. Like, and then I was just hooked. I'm like, these guys are insane. Yeah. 2 (43m 42s): Yeah. Yeah. He's very, very talented. Steven and I were, I, I used to, to have I toured with him as a part of the band. And then, yeah, actually, I'm going to tell you a secret. It is a secret because no one knows about it, but the next album of Stephen, he's going to take one of my songs that I wrote and we're going to do it as a duet and it's going to be released next year. And I'm so excited. Oh my God. This is like, for me, it's like, wow. You know, for him to take one. 2 (44m 22s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of my songs and he's like, oh my God, honey, this is amazing. And then I have to do, it's going to be a single I'm like, what are you kidding me? Yes. 4 (44m 34s): Oh, wow. Is it a S a song that was in English or a song that he, that was in Hebrew that he, that you guys like? Oh, no. 2 (44m 43s): Yeah. So 4 (44m 43s): There's only a handful I can look through. I could figure out just kidding. Figure out which one it is. That's so awesome. That's so cool. 2 (44m 50s): It was very awesome actually. Yeah. So exciting. 4 (44m 54s): Yeah. I cannot wait to hear that because like I said, I, I'm a huge fan of his and yours, so that's beautiful. Very cool. Well, talk to me about this new record. So when did you start this album? And like, where does COVID fall into the albums? It's something you're working on because of the pandemic or tell me where 2 (45m 14s): I had been through so much, because we have been working when I say we I'm talking to my, my husband and myself. He's a producer of my last albums. Yeah. He's a guitar player. He's a producer. He's a fighter of my daughters. He's so cool. He's a great guy. Yeah. 4 (45m 38s): We have a big celebration with him yesterday. I guess I should ask that 2 (45m 41s): Yesterday. 4 (45m 43s): Father's day was yesterday. 2 (45m 45s): Oh, right. We don't know. Is that big 4 (45m 50s): Thing in Israel? 2 (45m 51s): No. 4 (45m 52s): It's just a hallmark holiday here in the states. 2 (45m 54s): Yeah. We just made 4 (45m 57s): That out for him. 2 (45m 58s): No, it's it's like, oh my God. I feel so bad. Now. 4 (46m 3s): You shouldn't, I shouldn't have brought that up. I shouldn't have brought that up. I'm sorry. 2 (46m 7s): No, he's okay. Maybe I'll make it. I'll make it. I'll make it up for him. I'm going to do something tomorrow. Yeah. So we're working on it for five years now. That's why I'm so excited that it's finally coming out because I had like a bunch of songs and then we recorded them and then we decided to do like a whole different songs. Like I was writing and writing and writing. And then we decided to go on, on a different kind of vibe for this album. 2 (46m 47s): I mean, it has like a lot of rock in it. You know, all the bands that I love. It's like one big happy family of everyone, but not in a, you know, I mean, we're not trying to sound like anyone else. We're just trying to, to search and find my own voice and my own sound. And I think we did it. That's why we're ready to release this album, this album now. And who is us? There's one of the, my favorite songs actually. And have you seen the video? 4 (47m 23s): Yeah, I did. I, I saw it. It's cool. Very cool. 2 (47m 27s): The kid in the video. She's my daughter. It's my oldest 4 (47m 31s): Ruley. 2 (47m 32s): Yeah. 4 (47m 33s): Wow. 2 (47m 35s): Yeah. 4 (47m 36s): Th that's was that difficult to do that? I mean, like to, to kind of direct 2 (47m 42s): Actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was difficult because I was trying to keep her safe all the time and I was, and I saw she's a natural and that was, I think the most scary thing to see that she's actually, she's a natural, that's scary. Yeah. 4 (47m 60s): I've heard that before with other people that are in the public eye, they're like, oh yeah. And then like, because they don't really want their children to follow them. Cause it's like such a hard path. Right. I mean, and then there'll be like, and then they, then they're actually good at it. And it's like, Ugh. You know, 2 (48m 16s): And then there's nothing he can do. He can only like hold their hands and make sure they're safe and let them do whatever they want to do. 4 (48m 24s): Yeah. Where did you film that? Cause you're like in the middle of it, like you're on this plateau, but it's like in the middle of these mountain ranges, right? Like you're in 2 (48m 33s): Like, 4 (48m 34s): Oh, that isn't LA no way. 2 (48m 37s): Wow. 4 (48m 38s): I didn't know. I'm from Southern California. I'd never would have guessed. It's an LA 2 (48m 41s): Yeah. This is so funny because a lot of people are like really in awe of this, this, this spot. Because I mean, for me it was, it was a massive thing because I'm from Israel and I know how everything looks like. I mean, in Israel you could also find these kinds of, you know, places and the view and everything is very, very beautiful and wide open. But yeah, that was a very special place right next to the mountain. The Calabasas, because that's the area that we were driving there and then the video. 2 (49m 23s): Yeah. It was kind of, it was, I didn't enjoy actually filming this video. I was, so I was in so many places and I wanted it to be perfect. Yeah. So I knew I needed to talk to the director every two seconds and like make sure everything is happening. And then to also to play something, you know, to be in the video. I mean, for me it was like hide, but the video, I mean is, is cool. 4 (49m 52s): It's really cool. It turned out really cool. 2 (49m 54s): Yeah. 4 (49m 55s): Yeah. I wouldn't, like I said, I would've never guessed that that's anywhere in LA. I figured that you were like, oh yeah, we shot that here in Israel or something. 2 (50m 3s): That's funny. That 4 (50m 4s): Is cool. Very cool. Yeah. And so do you have like a release date on the album or cause you know, you just released that a song, a video, what? Like a week ago or something like last week? 2 (50m 13s): Yeah. We can go. Yeah, exactly. The album is going to be released beginning of next year. 4 (50m 20s): Cool. Wow. I cannot wait. And what about shows are you doing? I mean, obviously you're playing a lot of shows 2 (50m 27s): Here in Israel. Yeah. But I'm going to play another. Yeah. I'm going to play another Troubadour. I think it's going to be probably in October if you're around. 4 (50m 38s): Well, unfortunately I moved, I moved to Nashville, so I am so within the past year and a few months, my family moved from Southern California Nashville, but you should come play Nashville. 2 (50m 52s): I want to play in that show. Oh my God. I do want to come there for real. I think we will. Yeah. We're going to do it for, for sure. I, it, I wouldn't be there. I want to experience everything. That's 4 (51m 6s): Cool. 2 (51m 7s): Yeah. We're getting, 4 (51m 15s): I appreciate your time today. Thank you so much for doing this. Like this has been so great. 2 (51m 20s): It was so good talking to you, man. 4 (51m 22s): This has been awesome. I do have one last question. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. 2 (51m 32s): Yes I do. I have. I have too many. Yeah. Well I think the first thing I'm going to say probably is just, don't listen to anyone else, listen to yourself. And, but only if you're willing to work hard and to, to stay loyal to yourself and what, and loyal to whatever you want to say, work hard to do it and never give up. 2 (52m 12s): Just never give up. No matter what he does is going to be hard.